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Location: Oklahoma | annemarea - 2014-04-22 6:02 PM
CowgirlLindz - 2014-04-22 11:13 AM
I would pull his shoes and get a good barefoot trimmer. Not only is it much easier to make small changes or maintain/adjust breakover (you could just run a rasp over when ever you wanted ) but I really think all these problems are created or at least worsened by humans/shoes. And this is coming from a classically trained english rider. I run barrels on my barefoot horse fine if not better without shoes.
You should totally watch these videos of a navicular mare turned barefoot! I was like you and thought it was a death sentance or at least end of working life. My friend put her navicular gelding down a few years ago - tried everything, corrective shoes, magnetic boots, injections and where going to nerve him but he wasn't a good candidate - I wonder if barefoot would have saved him and others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXbfl5XLH_A (before )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkVlgFJfM (six weeks late )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK-lh65TvHw (this video is seven months later )
there are more videos of her too
Amen! Barefoot saved my gelding! Never has he been this sound! ;- )
I vote for barefoot, too. It's terrible what farriers do to these horses. I buy and sell quite a few horses a year, and I RARELY get one in that my farrier doesn't have to do a major re-do on their feet. I look at the ads on here and just shake my head at the shoe jobs. They all would be much better off barefoot. |
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| equussynergy is right boots are your friend AND get a good trimmer cannot stress this enough! |
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| dianeguinn - 2014-04-23 7:28 AM
annemarea - 2014-04-22 6:02 PM
CowgirlLindz - 2014-04-22 11:13 AM
I would pull his shoes and get a good barefoot trimmer. Not only is it much easier to make small changes or maintain/adjust breakover (you could just run a rasp over when ever you wanted ) but I really think all these problems are created or at least worsened by humans/shoes. And this is coming from a classically trained english rider. I run barrels on my barefoot horse fine if not better without shoes.
You should totally watch these videos of a navicular mare turned barefoot! I was like you and thought it was a death sentance or at least end of working life. My friend put her navicular gelding down a few years ago - tried everything, corrective shoes, magnetic boots, injections and where going to nerve him but he wasn't a good candidate - I wonder if barefoot would have saved him and others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXbfl5XLH_A (before )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkVlgFJfM (six weeks late )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK-lh65TvHw (this video is seven months later )
there are more videos of her too
Amen! Barefoot saved my gelding! Never has he been this sound! ;- )
I vote for barefoot, too. It's terrible what farriers do to these horses. I buy and sell quite a few horses a year, and I RARELY get one in that my farrier doesn't have to do a major re-do on their feet. I look at the ads on here and just shake my head at the shoe jobs. They all would be much better off barefoot.
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| CowgirlLindz - 2014-04-23 3:03 PM
TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-22 10:09 PM
I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others.
How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes...
Good for you being open minded to barefoot! I find it silly sometimes when people try everything from special shoes/drugs to stemcell treatements but mention barefoot and its like OMG why would I try that! Out of anything if nothing else its cheap. And if your willing to try anything to help your horse. Why the heck not?
I'm not a trimmer or anything. Just a rider. I barrel race, jump and ride up gravel roads - no problems. My horse's feet aren't naturally awesome either. I feed a mineral balancer with included hoof supplement. So if u feed em right their hooves will be nice.
Without a shoe blood circulation increases too.
I can't go barefoot either - have major issues with hoof defects and cracks splitting them in half. The thing with the stem cell is it repairs the damage done...so it wasn't just me trying something random to jump on the bandwagon. I'd love to have my horse go barefoot, would save me a ton of money and frustration no doubt! Maybe someday! |
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| I wouldn't call barefoot jumping on the band wagon. Its really hard to go against the traditional (shoes) at least for me. My choice to keep my horse barefoot (not broke had never had shoes on when purchased) was not made lightly or without a bunch of research through scientific literature (I'm a biologist). I cannot find any benefit to shoes but lots for barefoot. Yes you can hold together a broken cracking hoof or numb the hoof so the pain is reduced with a shoe but why glue and tape the problem. I would rather take the time to feed my horse right and grow a healthy happy hoof. Cracking hooves I would check your feeding program - your horse is not getting enough minerals or vitamins he needs. Many fed companies don't included enough in there mixes.
Easy care just posted this article including the videos of the mare I posted above!
http://blog.easycareinc.com/blog/horse-boots-customer-help/a-quick-...
I think this will be my last post on this thread - haters are gonna hate - I could defend a thousand times over but untimely those who don't wish to be open minded will remain so. Did you know that the doctor who first suggested hand washing between patients was ridiculed - many people died from transmitted infection before hand washing became common practice in health care. |
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Location: Alabama | SwishMiss - 2014-04-23 9:08 AM TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-23 7:09 AM I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others. How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes... Barefoot is better than natural balance. . I took my guys NB shoes off and turned him out. I had the pad on him too.. just seemed heavy and I am not a fan. Buy a level and a degree reading tool for his feet and make your farrier use them I believe you want 54 degrees on the front or anywhere 45 to mid 50's I believe depending how long he is ect. My farrier wanted to wedge one foot and not the other. I got sick of watching them try to eyeball it. I am a visual person need solid verified degrees... I have SUCH a short temper when it comes to my horse. ETA I am not riding him right now when I do I will do rims all the way around possibly with an elevated heel.
SwishMiss, I don't wish to rain on your parade but, the info you posted here is inaccurate to say the least. IF you understood the mechanics of the hoof and how it operates (or should operate in a sound state) you would know that elevated heels are the number one reason for "navicular syndrome" in horses.
To the OP: depending on who your farrier is and their understanding of natural balance shoeing, the trim is almost exactly the same as if the horse were going to be barefoot....so, when trimming to prep for shoe placement, the trims are almost identical. In fact, for horses with navicular issues, caudal heel pain, etc. the two ways I treated it was either barefoot (via the trim) or with natural balance shoes. I don't have any idea of your farrier's credentials or understanding when it comes to applying natural balance shoes so I can't comment. My knowledge and understanding might be quite different than the person you use. I've been through the clinics and shod with the creator of the shoe itself so my understanding of how to apply the shoes is quite sufficient to use them as a healing tool for navicular pain and long toes, etc.
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| Highly reccomend TLC Equi-bone worked wonders for my horse diagnosed navicular at 6yrs old MRI showed navicular bursa not fully formed from birth. I agree with the barefoot if he can I only have one horse with front shoes on and the rest are barefoot. The equi-bone keeps my navicular horse sound and he is still running barrels at 10yrs old now
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