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Location: Hockley, Texas | How do YOU teach one to hard tie? I always have issues with teaching one to stand tied because I'm afraid they're going to set back and get in a bind. I generally teach them to tie with a blocker tie ring, but eventually they will have to stand hard tied to a trailer or something else. What do you do to teach them? Let them set back and throw fits until they realize they aren't going to get away with it or what? I'm always looking for different, possibly better, more efficient ways to do things. |
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| some horses respond ok to being tied solid and throwing a ninny until they realize they aren't going anywhere, some start sitting back because they are tied solid. If I tie them and walk away and do other things I tie them solid. If I tie them and are messing with them or know I'll be walking up to them with something scary, I'll wrap their lead rope around whatever a few times. If they do pull its snug but it does give. It doesn't allow the chronic pullers to get away with sitting back. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: SE KS | A friend of mine would use an inner tube tied to a tree. Find a stout limb, secure inner tube to it (they used a log chain) hanging down from the limb, then tied the lead roped colt to it. |
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| I make sure that the horse truly understands to give to the halter. If they truly get that there is not usualy a big fit, they may bounce back and forth until they settle but when they get to a point where the halter puts preasure they move up and give to it.
If I get a really bad one ill go back and rework a bunch of ground work and not tie hard until they are better and more confident in being restrained that way. |
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 Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | della - 2014-04-24 1:42 PM I make sure that the horse truly understands to give to the halter. If they truly get that there is not usualy a big fit, they may bounce back and forth until they settle but when they get to a point where the halter puts preasure they move up and give to it. If I get a really bad one ill go back and rework a bunch of ground work and not tie hard until they are better and more confident in being restrained that way.
Ditto... and usually with my young ones, I don't tie for a long time at first... I take small victorys when I can, so I may tie for 5 or 10 min a few times, once they conquer that, move it up to 20-30 and before you know it, you have them tied for hrs  |
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| cindyt - 2014-04-24 2:01 PM
della - 2014-04-24 1:42 PM I make sure that the horse truly understands to give to the halter. If they truly get that there is not usualy a big fit, they may bounce back and forth until they settle but when they get to a point where the halter puts preasure they move up and give to it. If I get a really bad one ill go back and rework a bunch of ground work and not tie hard until they are better and more confident in being restrained that way.
Ditto... and usually with my young ones, I don't tie for a long time at first... I take small victorys when I can, so I may tie for 5 or 10 min a few times, once they conquer that, move it up to 20-30 and before you know it, you have them tied for hrs
Ditto. And the first few times I am tieing for 5 - 10 mins, I don't let them out of my sight - I want to be there if something happens. But I will work up to hours at a time. I LOVE the patience it teaches a young one. |
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  Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | lhighquality - 2014-04-24 1:40 PM A friend of mine would use an inner tube tied to a tree. Find a stout limb, secure inner tube to it (they used a log chain) hanging down from the limb, then tied the lead roped colt to it. I know someone that broke a horses neck doing this. I think they weren't watching the horse though.
Here's what I do and it works. I have a 4 horse trailer backed up to my round pen. I teach them to load by working them on that side of the round pen until they enter the trailer, then they get a break for doing the right thing....so, once I have them loading good, which generally takes no more than an hour with daily reinforcement, I have a trailer bugee tie. They get tied in the trailer and I close the divider gate. The bungee pulls them and gives to pressure (like a giant rubber band). I like the divider, because if they pull too hard the divider hits their butt and stops them from sitting down. I, generally, walk them into the round pen, they learn to jump into the trailer, I tie them and give them a reward (a little feed) for doing everything right and leave them tied a few hours at a time. Works great for me. I use this technique to halter break older horses too and it works like a dream. When they come off the trailer from being tied, I ask for a few steps and when they give, I give them a small break, etc....doesn't take long halter breaking that way either. Just a few days of consecutive work. I, actually, taught one to load, halter broke her in 30 minutes a few weeks back. She stands tied now too. I know you didn't ask this, but while I'm on a roll lol..... I teach the young ones to halter break and stand tied by tying them to their dam and getting her to do the pulling. It accomplishes both things if done right.
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Location: Alberta | Since I start my foals with the halter while they are still on mom I will utilize her and a bum rope. Once they understand pressure then I will do one wrap on the fence and stand back. Generally they go back and forth then realize can't go much further. I will do this a number of times till I feel they get it. Once I do tie them off I still watch them, they always figured things out and I have never had a colt freak out and set back. It definitely isn't something that happens over night and creating a positive experience is key for their safety and confidence.....I think anyways. |
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 Twin Sister to Queen Boobie
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Ground work & short sessions starting off.
I like a tie blocker but I don't have one. I've used doubled up tractor trailer intertubes that give but don't break. I've also used a bag of sand tied to a long rope and you run the rope through an eye bolt place high up -- basically when then horse pulls, they're pulling the heavy sand. When they step forward, they get a release from that.
The most common method I've used is tying up high to a limb that gives and moves. I think tying up high is key to keep them from hurting themselves or damaging their necks, as well as tying to something that gives some with movement. I think what gets a lot of people in trouble is that they don't tie high enough and they tie so that the horse gets the lead rope stuck over the top of their head and then they panick when they feel trapped.
As far as tying in a trailer, I'd make sure that the divider goes all the way to the ground. I've had horses sit down and back and get their butt stuck under the divider and then you're REALLY got a big mess.
Bungees are bad to break and snap fly back and hit them in the face. I've seen that happen. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Divider goes to the ground.....so, no butt going under and bungees are very thick....they, also, don't pull that hard because the divider is closed. You could always double up on them if you were concerned about one breaking. I never have had or seen it happen. |
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Location: Oklahoma | lhighquality - 2014-04-24 1:40 PM A friend of mine would use an inner tube tied to a tree. Find a stout limb, secure inner tube to it (they used a log chain) hanging down from the limb, then tied the lead roped colt to it.
this is what we do after we are sure they really understand give and release to pressure before being tied! Have had a couple pull back and never hurt themselves! |
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| Runnin < C > - 2014-04-25 3:38 PM
lhighquality - 2014-04-24 1:40 PM A friend of mine would use an inner tube tied to a tree. Find a stout limb, secure inner tube to it (they used a log chain) hanging down from the limb, then tied the lead roped colt to it.
this is what we do after we are sure they really understand give and release to pressure before being tied! Have had a couple pull back and never hurt themselves!
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I do the overhead hanging innertube from a tree limb too. I do a permanent
lead to the bottom of the tube at the correct length for any size of horse.
Short enough so even if they rear up or lay down they can't get a leg
over the tie rope.
Once they relax under the trees I put them on Blocker tie rings all around the barn ... 2nd strength loopdeloop and have no problems with them pulling back ...
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Extreme Veteran
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| We've had good luck ponying them prior to being tied. Same principle, they can pull the older horse a little but don't have much luck really getting their way. And if they really do throw a fit you can let them recover and be right there waiting to start again. |
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Twin Sister to Queen Boobie
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-04-25 6:55 PM
Runnin < C > - 2014-04-25 3:38 PM
lhighquality - 2014-04-24 1:40 PM A friend of mine would use an inner tube tied to a tree. Find a stout limb, secure inner tube to it (they used a log chain) hanging down from the limb, then tied the lead roped colt to it.
this is what we do after we are sure they really understand give and release to pressure before being tied! Have had a couple pull back and never hurt themselves!
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I do the overhead hanging innertube from a tree limb too. I do a permanent
lead to the bottom of the tube at the correct length for any size of horse.
Short enough so even if they rear up or lay down they can't get a leg
over the tie rope.
Once they relax under the trees I put them on Blocker tie rings all around the barn ... 2nd strength loopdeloop and have no problems with them pulling back ...
I like your sand pit where they stand..... I need to do that here. Usually it just turns into a mud pit!
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