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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Most of it is just herbs and supplements. There's no cheating in barrel racing.
On a serious note, if you watch that video, the underlying theme back then was "if you don't do it, you won't win....everyone was doing it and everyone knew"
In fact, it still goes on today, I bet. The technology in drug detection has been followed in parallel by technology in avoiding detection. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 2:32 PM
pabarrelnut - 2014-05-03 3:28 PM
When you go to a national show such as the Colonial Nationals and walk thru the barns and see all of the boxes marked "place used needles here" overflowing maybe its an easier question to ask Who isnt drugging the horse?
It's just vitamins and vaccines. I always give my horse a 6-way vaccine in the neck before a big barrel race. Loosens him up real nice.
Lasix. All those needles are for lasix and banimine. How dare people assume anything else. |
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 Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 3:32 PM pabarrelnut - 2014-05-03 3:28 PM When you go to a national show such as the Colonial Nationals and walk thru the barns and see all of the boxes marked "place used needles here" overflowing maybe its an easier question to ask Who isnt drugging the horse? It's just vitamins and vaccines. I always give my horse a 6-way vaccine in the neck before a big barrel race. Loosens him up real nice.
I have given Lasix, banamine, bute, dex, and Adequan on the road. There are people giving stuff they really shouldn't for sure, but a needle does not automatically equal bad. |
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Sock Snob
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| This has been going on for years, at the track, at aqha, paints, ibra, and anywhere else. When they test they the guys willing to,spend the money there are things in peoples black boxes. How qbout blood doping i heard they have done this to horses. Clembuterol, using epi, all types of steroids. A lot of different pain killers, ritalin and other uppers. This a list that i do know and some of this is part of a coctail type stuff.. All those people that have great runs dont always have a horse that is better than yours, they just use stuff on there horse beside a joint suppliment. That is why some of those wonder horse will not live but so long. The trainers do it cause the owners what that check and the end game great horse so they can sell. You ever see a big name horse and some really nice people will buy it and for then it will be. 5 or. 7 off a winner. People then think those people cant ride it is not that. I hqve been around since the 80's. A vet told me drug testing will only discourage the honest type people, as like the atheletes of the 80's will find a way. Like thqt spice stuff is is very chemically simular to some illegal drugs, change one molecule and put it on poporri equals spice. The people thwt want that edge will always do some thing. I know people that used to buy a horse that was a worker and a low 2-d horse they would get it home and shoot is up with winstrol, in about 4-6 weeks you have another gear take it up north where people have money they would make about a 7500.00 profit. |
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| SKM - 2014-05-03 4:01 PM Posts like this always make me laugh and here's why...people will come out of the woodwork swearing that barrel racers don't do this. I have a good friend that worked for a well known vet practice. Many girls bought Winstral by the gallon pretty much. But everyone on BHW would claim these same girls are as pure as freshly fallen snow. I think that something that is worse and more scary than doping is the girls that are blocking injuries and just keep running. I know of a few that were great and then disappeared never to be heard of again that this happened to.Face it, some people have no conscience when it comes to a great horse that can draw checks.
There's also this stigma that certain people try to push: That those who are against those drugs are upset because they're not winning, are jealous, or it's "unfair".
"Why is it unfair? You can do it too!" YEP, it's been said! On this forum no less!!!
That's annoying (not to mention SCARY) as heck and a great from the actual, real problem.
I don't care if I knock every time, never place, or never win anything. I don't care. I don't care who's winning. I DON'T CARE.
What I care about is the horse. I care about our sport. We already have a **** poor reputation among other sports in the way we treat our horses. Do we really want to sit idly by and let that reputation continue to be tarnished by these idiots? And yes, I said IDIOTS. Do we want other entities (gov, people who know nothing about horses) to clean up for us?
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 Googly Goo
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| Injecting Winstrol the day of a race won't give you any advantage. |
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2014-05-03 6:20 PM Injecting Winstrol the day of a race won't give you any advantage.
It will if you run often enough. LOL |
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Googly Goo
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-03 7:16 PM TXBO - 2014-05-03 6:20 PM Injecting Winstrol the day of a race won't give you any advantage. It will if you run often enough. LOL
True but you'd have to be a real dumbazz to do it at a show. |
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Expert
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Location: Bandera, TX | Both are amazing at burning a horse up. Shine brightly while you can... |
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 BHW's Lance Armstrong 
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Drug testing:
Level 3 test is for most of the drugs juridictions are looking for. Level 3 includes all drugs in Levels 1 and 2. That cost about $250.
Then there are spot check tests that cost about $35-50 per drug they are looking for.
Steroid tests are not in the 3 levels of testing. It cost about $150.
So if a jurisdiction wants to be thorough they would need to spend at least $400 per test.
If a jurisdiction is testing levels 1, 2 or 3, steroids would never be detected.
Edited by Douglas J Gordon 2014-05-04 8:30 AM
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | OBTW Equipoise and Winstrol will work the same for muscle, strength and speed. Winstrol just won't have as an agressive side effects as Equipoise. Happy injecting! |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | I forgot to hit quote, but this is for hollywood
I know the testing right now is kind of a joke, depending on the event... but it gives me hope that the industry will take more steps towards enforcing it in the future.
The thing that sucks though is the cost.... it is not cheap and I'm not suprised by the figures posted by DJG.... But for big events, like nationals or worlds, I do hope they do really test the horses.
I haven't been to big shows enough and I don't run WPRA, so I'm not sure what is actually being done and what isn't right now. |
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 Forever Young
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Location: relocated to Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-05 7:51 AM I forgot to hit quote, but this is for hollywood
I know the testing right now is kind of a joke, depending on the event... but it gives me hope that the industry will take more steps towards enforcing it in the future.
The thing that sucks though is the cost.... it is not cheap and I'm not suprised by the figures posted by DJG.... But for big events, like nationals or worlds, I do hope they do really test the horses.
I haven't been to big shows enough and I don't run WPRA, so I'm not sure what is actually being done and what isn't right now.
I would have felt hopeful too except for what I saw with this horse at the Paint World. Honestly, I was hoping they would test him and that owner and the vet would receive some disciplinary action. It didn't happen. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-04 9:36 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-05 7:51 AM I forgot to hit quote, but this is for hollywood
I know the testing right now is kind of a joke, depending on the event... but it gives me hope that the industry will take more steps towards enforcing it in the future.
The thing that sucks though is the cost.... it is not cheap and I'm not suprised by the figures posted by DJG.... But for big events, like nationals or worlds, I do hope they do really test the horses.
I haven't been to big shows enough and I don't run WPRA, so I'm not sure what is actually being done and what isn't right now. I would have felt hopeful too except for what I saw with this horse at the Paint World. Honestly, I was hoping they would test him and that owner and the vet would receive some disciplinary action. It didn't happen.
Ugh, that makes me sad. :( |
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