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Location: The money window | I need advice with my 13-year-old mare, and whether or not her bloodlines are breeding quality. Her registered name is Patty's Double Dealer. If anyone could do an AQHA lookup on her, and give opinions on her breeding, I would greatly appreciate it.
As well, I would be curious to know what lines would go well with her for a stud (if she is worth breeding)?
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 Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | put her on www.allbreedpedigree.com so we can look her up easier than AQHA. |
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Location: Kansas | Pattys Double Dealer 3573263 1997 sorrel mare
SIRE side of pedigree
Jet Deck 1960
0167014 bay
Moon Deck 1950
0163343 brown
Pine's Easter Jet 1972
0869298 sorrel
Miss Night Bar 1950
0032535 chestnut
That's Pine 1961
0306058 sorrel
That Pep's Boy 1955
0118880 brown
Jets Sure Roll 1979
1576280 bay
Miss Pines (TB) 1955
T0061032 chestnut
Azure Sure 1969
1035484 brown
Azure Te (TB) 1962
T0052758 bay
Sure Bonnie 1974
1074616 bay
Idlewild 1957
0097564 sorrel
Bonnie Roll 1962
0191341 bay
Croton Oil 1955
0058971 sorrel
Yeager's Bonnie 1939
0003441 brown
DAM side of pedigree
Comet Reed 1952
0045326 sorrel
Joe Sunday 1941
0009900 bay
Comet Best 1962
0215720 sorrel
Copper Queen Deen 1948
0056058 sorrel
Martha Georgie 1958
0103704 sorrel
Tuff Joe 1951
0041334 sorrel
Patties Princess 1976
1247327 sorrel
Leo's Lucky 1952
0045327 sorrel
Mico Peppy 1957
0064873 sorrel
Cactus Breeze 1952
0043273 sorrel
Dee's Fashion 1969
0637924 sorrel
Peppy's Mary 1953
0049648 sorrel
Secret Dee 1961
0189817 sorrel
Chipmunk Dee 1954
0054198 bay
Secret Sorrel 1954
0106768 roan
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| http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pattys+double+dealer
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| I honestly think that is a very nice set of papers. Tons of Leo!! Pines Easter Jet, hard to get that on a set of papers anymore. He has contributed to a lot of nice barrel horse pedigree's. A friend of mine runs this mare http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gw+dashing+bug she is a super nice mare. Bloodlines are breeding quality in my mind. I'd breed her to A Streak of Fling: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pattys+hypo+2. |
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Location: SE KS |
OP said her mare was 13?????
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That's White "Man" to You
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| 13...17...whats the difference? lol |
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| I think she's bred nice too. Matching her with a stallion depends on her build, strengths/weaknesses etc combined with what you want. Got pics of her and temperament description vs what the perfect horse is to you? |
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Location: The money window | Oh yikes, a good bit older than I was led to believe. Let's just say there were some issues with getting the papers from her old owner (it's been over a year) and I was lied to on more than one occasion.
Now that I'm finally getting them some truths are being uncovered lol.
As far as the personality....
She is a pretty difficult mare, more of a house cat than a lab. She pretty much views people as an inconvenience to her own grand plans for the day, and isn't necessarily what I'd call the most naturally willing. That said, she has a lot of spunk and try when she sets her mind to things. Naturally competitive and with twice the heart of most horses, but she has to set her mind to it first (easier said than done)
She just don't need any more sass bred into her, that's for sure!
Thanks to all for your help!! :) Any opinion, positive or negative, is appreciated |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Can you post pics of her? It would be alot easier to give you educated choices if we knew how she was built. |
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Location: The money window | Like a short Quarter mare lol. Not much natural muscle mass...these pics are from various places in body condition, but even at her best, she doesn't get those big gaskins other AQHs do. Tight waist even when she's fat, but a bit of a ewe neck.
http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/Emily_Simcox/media/imagejpg1_zpsc...
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http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/Emily_Simcox/slideshow/ |
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The Advice Guru
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| If you don't have papers, I personally wouldn't breed her. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-05-13 3:55 PM
If you don't have papers, I personally wouldn't breed her.
Ditto! |
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Location: The money window | I'm getting the papers in the mail. As of this morning, I finally made contact with the person who can send them.
Possessing the papers isn't the issue, the concern is of learning the quality of what's in them. |
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The Advice Guru
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| MuddyChestnut - 2014-05-13 4:22 PM
I'm getting the papers in the mail. As of this morning, I finally made contact with the person who can send them.
Possessing the papers isn't the issue, the concern is of learning the quality of what's in them.
If you we're lied to in the past, and about her age. I would parantage verify her to ensure the papers are hers.
Also are you getting a transfer signed?
Also looking at the pictures, with the pedigree shown and her conformation, she would have to be a proven 1d horse for me to breed.
I see too many conformational flaws (this is according to my standards), and I don't see any big names in the first two lines of pedigree, with this said this horse isn't my cup of tea.
I don't see a good resale value on the foal based on pedigree alone. |
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Location: The money window | Thank you for your honest opinion, I really do appreciate it.
They are her papers, they were finally gotten a hold of through someone other than the previous owner, who I figure didn't want to send them because of being caught on the age thing.
She is more of a 2D/3D type, for sure not a proven 1D. I need to make money off of her somehow, but I'm beginning to think a sell would be advisable over breeding. There are better broodmares I could purchase for that endeavor (if I can get some of my money back out of her, that is) |
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Location: Deep South | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-13 4:41 PM MuddyChestnut - 2014-05-13 4:22 PM I'm getting the papers in the mail. As of this morning, I finally made contact with the person who can send them. Possessing the papers isn't the issue, the concern is of learning the quality of what's in them. If you we're lied to in the past, and about her age. I would parantage verify her to ensure the papers are hers. Also are you getting a transfer signed? Also looking at the pictures, with the pedigree shown and her conformation, she would have to be a proven 1d horse for me to breed. I see too many conformational flaws (this is according to my standards), and I don't see any big names in the first two lines of pedigree, with this said this horse isn't my cup of tea. I don't see a good resale value on the foal based on pedigree alone.
I agree with all of this.
If I was looking at purchasing the resulting foal, the bottom side would not impress me much at all. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| So she goes back to joe reed like 12 times!
The more recognizable a pedigree is the easier it is to sell a foal. As far as making money on the mare by breeding, chances are it will cost you more than you make.
Edited by Whiteboy 2014-05-13 8:24 PM
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The Advice Guru
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| Whiteboy - 2014-05-13 5:54 PM
So she goes back to joe reed like 12 times!
The more recognizable a pedigree is the easier it is to sell a foal. As far as making money on the mare by breeding, chances are it will cost you more than you make.
To me Joe Reed is too far back to have any merit. The horse may qualify for foundation pedigree, I don't look at foundation percentage.
For the other person who said the pedigree should be the last thing, to an extent, yes.
For me I look for a balanced horse, to me this horse is front end heavy, along with other conformation that in my book are considered flaws. As the owner said the mare is not a proven 1d mare, which more people are looking for a strong maternal side, this horse doesn't have it. Pedigree, I look at salability and breed ability if anything happens and I need to sell the horse, or the horse gets injured and is a mare, do I want to breed the horse. The op also said she wanted to add some speed which tells me the horse is on the slower side. Yes you can breed to speed, but that doesn't mean you are going to get speed, I would rather gamble with the DTF,DFP,FG,JC, etc that have proven speed in the pedigree.
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Location: Oklahoma | Cheryl said it all for me! There are few proven horses and producers in the first few generations of the mare's pedigree and she has not proven her ability to perform either (unless I missed something). Her conformational flaws are very likely going to be passed down to the foal. If I was to spend the money on a top-producing sire, I would want to bring the best mare I could find to him to maximize the chances of a quality foal.
Remember when breeding, the central idea is not necessarily breeding to improve on the individual but to improve the breed as well.
Edited by Morab76 2014-05-13 11:01 PM
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