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Location: Ava, Missouri | Does it look like he is physically unable to make his right turn?I have practiced right hand circles for months with no improvement from him. I am having him adjusted in a week when I have my barrel horse done but wanted to know opinions on it. http://youtu.be/7_vnE0ItnC8 |
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Location: Ava, Missouri | This pony isn't 2, he is a 12 year old experienced barrel pony. |
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| He looks like he needs a good lameness exam and then a trainer. |
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| This is going to be pretty blunt, but the left hand turns aren't real great either. Lots of butt slinging everywhere, it's just worse on the first barrel. He's not really prepared for the turn and then you grab his head, kind of abruptly, and pull him into a right hand turn. His hind end is completely disengaged and nowhere near ready to make a turn. This results in the hind end drifting around the barrel and the inability to get straightened out for the next barrel. The other barrels are better but the same problem is still there. The chiro or vet check is always a good idea to rule out soreness and/or lameness. But this also looks like it is a training issue for both horse and rider alike. |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| 3 To Go - 2014-05-13 1:22 AM This is going to be pretty blunt, but the left hand turns aren't real great either. Lots of butt slinging everywhere, it's just worse on the first barrel. He's not really prepared for the turn and then you grab his head, kind of abruptly, and pull him into a right hand turn. His hind end is completely disengaged and nowhere near ready to make a turn. This results in the hind end drifting around the barrel and the inability to get straightened out for the next barrel. The other barrels are better but the same problem is still there. The chiro or vet check is always a good idea to rule out soreness and/or lameness. But this also looks like it is a training issue for both horse and rider alike.
Big time! He needs his butt up UNDER him, not "slinging" out all over the place - I'd start with rollbacks and other excersizes and take him OFF the pattern. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Yup
It looks to be either a rider or training issue. |
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| Looks to me like you need several things. 1. shorten your stirrups, then you may not bounce quite so bad because you can put weight in them.
2. You aren't asking your horse or cueing him at all before the turn. You need to let him know what you are doing before you get there, NOT a stride past the barrel.
3. You need to work on sitting your weight down for the turn.
I would either look up some professional barrel racing trainer videos on youtube or find a barrel trainer in your area. Martha Josey, Lance Graves, Danielle Campbell come to mind off the top of my head of videos to search. You seem like you have a nice horse, he's trying, but I'm sure he'd appreciate more help from your end. |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | Cute little horse is trying really hard. I agree with the others. Take him off the pattern and get back to basics, get him listening to you again. Talk with your seat and not just your hands. You can only do that if you are actually sitting.
Nice horse and looks like you both are trying hard. |
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  Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | You are not preparing him in any way to turn the barrel. He really seems to be trying to me. |
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Location: Alberta | Ok....back to basics.....I may have mixed your horse up with the other videos you had in your collection, but the way that horse moves and you ride made me assume the horse was not broke enough...good luck...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P0_-AcSQDgk
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fyvyirAcIec
Edited by dream_chaser 2014-05-13 9:37 AM
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| He isnt soft in the ribs or in the face. Try one handed circles at a walk and when he gives to the reins and legs then reward him. To get him more up underneath himself I like to walk squares around the barrel. When you approach the first barrel ride up to the barrel and stop when your leg is parallel with the barrel. When you stop I bet you will feel his hips shift away from the barrel. Push his hip back towards the barrel and let him sit there. After he is relaxed and squared up then take about 3 steps forward past the barrel (want his butt past the back of the barrel) and ask him to pivot on his right hind foot. Stop and let him relax. If he shifts out then correct it and push his butt towards the barrel. Then repeat these steps when leaving the barrel. It might take about a week for your horse to really understands what to do. Good luck! |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | I don't think its a soundness issue. Like the other poster said, left hand turns are not much better. I think you both could do really well with some lessons and guidance from a professional trainer, to teach you both how to ask for the turn, how the horse should be positioned in the turn, etc… Horse is trying but he has no guidance on how to do it correct |
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Location: South MS | Looks like he needs his teeth done to me and needs to learn to get underneath him and turn on his hocks, If you can afford to send him to a trainer for 30-60 days do that or at least go a few times for lessons and drills that would specifically help you
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If you cant afford to do that then I would put him in an Oring and draw reins
I would put him on his rear end, LOTS of backing and stopping
Once he is backing good and staying on his rear start rolling him back
As far as barrels, I would practice 4 corner barrels - walking, trotting, loping and once he can turn them perfectly - then go back to the pattern - I go corner to corner turning all the barrels the same direction
I do a drill on mine called corkscrew - you start out loping a nice big circle (no barrels) - then once he is relaxed loping then each time you go around the circle get smaller and smaller - I dont let mine drop to a trot when it gets small - I drive them into the turn with my legs or over-n-under with my outside leg/hand
Once they are at the center of the circle its almost like they are doing a spin on the back end - I spin them 2-3 times and gallop out of the circle
I walk a few minutes and repeat switching directions |
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Queen Bean of Ponyland
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Location: WYOMING | casualdust07 - 2014-05-13 10:43 AM
I don't think its a soundness issue. Like the other poster said, left hand turns are not much better. I think you both could do really well with some lessons and guidance from a professional trainer, to teach you both how to ask for the turn, how the horse should be positioned in the turn, etc… Horse is trying but he has no guidance on how to do it correct
Agreed. Practicing for months while doing the wrong thing teaches the wrong thing. He is unable to make any turns correctly but it looks to be more rider error than any physical issue he has.
He is trying and once you get some instructions I bet you both come right around! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Too much NASCAR...  |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-05-13 8:53 AM You are not preparing him in any way to turn the barrel. He really seems to be trying to me.
Looks like a nice pony, but I agree not helping him out at all befor you get to the barrels, hes need to rate befor he can make a better turn, you have no rate at all. |
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| komet. - 2014-05-14 3:34 PM
Too much NASCAR...
I love this----
OK now to the serious side. The horse is NOT broke. If this is the speed that you have been working the horse all along I can see where the problem is. If someone jerked my head off I would not turn either.
Several suggestions---get horse's teeth floated Find a clinic that emphasizes horsemanship. Take the horse off barrel practice and work on basic skills to get control of front end, hind end and what is in between. Poor boy is trying to please and jerking his head is not the best way to train. |
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Location: Deep South | You have received some very good advice! I agree that this looks to be more of a training issue than a physical issue. But certainly nothing that is so bad it can't be corrected if you are willing to learn!
I would definitely take this pony off the barrels to start and get him more broke, riding with someone who can emphasize horsemanship would largely benefit both you and your pony. Then I would reintroduce him back to the barrels SLOWLY. Shortcuts are NOT your friend!
In this video, you're wide open and all over the place. I would focus on slowing down and cleaning things up. Like others mentioned, you offered him no cue to rate or prepare for the turn. After he was past the barrel you just pull his head around.
Is there a successful barrel racer in your area you can ask for help? Sometimes just a couple pointers in person can really get people on the right track. It looks like this little guy has a lot of try, and I think he is definitely physically capable and could help you grow a lot as a rider if you are willing to learn from him. :) |
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