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| IB1UKNO - 2014-06-11 12:05 PM
You must not sell many horses. If your idiot buyer picked up on only a slight swelling, I don't see them as idiots.
You as a seller need to know your buyers. One size does not fit all. The "proper" vet to do your lameness is always a good thing. Having different vets available to you makes many a buyer feel more comfortable, like many have said rarely does a horse not have something that can be found wrong.
It purely sounds like to me you did not take care to sell your horse. Even a 4k buyer needs to feel they are getting what they are paying for. You sound put out by your 3 hour ordeal, I've taken months to sell one horse to one buyer. Due diligence on your part may help you sell in the future.
If you read the post( I kno it's a book) the horse also had some hair knocked off its leg. That's what they saw. No I wasn't put out or mad at the vet. Everything the vet said wouldn't have spooked me as a buyer, but like I said these people had never seen a vet check. The vet did say what to expect before she did it. |
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| TrailGirl - 2014-06-11 7:41 AM
Yeah I don't see any fault with the exam...just the ignorance of the prospective buyers. Probably did the horse a favor by not going to those folks. Although I know how frustrating it would be to lose a sale for no real reason. They clearly were not listening to the final assessment. If they use that vet to look at future prospects...they will either learn that this is normal and that those "findings" are nothing...or...they will drag an empty trailer home over and over.
This is exactly what I was thinking! |
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| TxBronc - 2014-06-11 12:13 PM
IB1UKNO - 2014-06-11 12:05 PM
You must not sell many horses. If your idiot buyer picked up on only a slight swelling, I don't see them as idiots.
You as a seller need to know your buyers. One size does not fit all. The "proper" vet to do your lameness is always a good thing. Having different vets available to you makes many a buyer feel more comfortable, like many have said rarely does a horse not have something that can be found wrong.
It purely sounds like to me you did not take care to sell your horse. Even a 4k buyer needs to feel they are getting what they are paying for. You sound put out by your 3 hour ordeal, I've taken months to sell one horse to one buyer. Due diligence on your part may help you sell in the future.
If you read the post ( I kno it's a book ) the horse also had some hair knocked off its leg. That's what they saw. No I wasn't put out or mad at the vet. Everything the vet said wouldn't have spooked me as a buyer, but like I said these people had never seen a vet check. The vet did say what to expect before she did it.
Well then, nuff said. Buyer has never seen a vet check! I think you scared them in to never buying even a POS without a vet check. Your problem, your loss, your wallet. I would rethink how you treat your buyers |
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| I love people like that! When I sell one i get those types in droves. The horse is better off without them. |
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Location: Only a stones throw away!! | IB1 - your kind of a jerk!!! opinions are great ...good or bad...but you just had a RUDE way of putting things..MHO!
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Location: Canada | IB1 that's pretty rude. She's frustrated at the loss of a sale on a sound horse and the loss of her time. Those people were NEVER going to buy it. If a 9 year old barrel horse (trail horse, heck even a broodmare) scores 1 out of 4 most people snatch it up without thinking twice. They turned it down even though the vet said it was good SOUND horse.
Its nice that you can take months to sell a horse to a potential buyer but most of the horse selling community moves on if the buyer doesn't engage and purchase within a considerably shorter time frame. That's not being rude that's just business.
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| IB1UKNO - 2014-06-11 12:22 PM
TxBronc - 2014-06-11 12:13 PM
IB1UKNO - 2014-06-11 12:05 PM
You must not sell many horses. If your idiot buyer picked up on only a slight swelling, I don't see them as idiots.
You as a seller need to know your buyers. One size does not fit all. The "proper" vet to do your lameness is always a good thing. Having different vets available to you makes many a buyer feel more comfortable, like many have said rarely does a horse not have something that can be found wrong.
It purely sounds like to me you did not take care to sell your horse. Even a 4k buyer needs to feel they are getting what they are paying for. You sound put out by your 3 hour ordeal, I've taken months to sell one horse to one buyer. Due diligence on your part may help you sell in the future.
If you read the post ( I kno it's a book ) the horse also had some hair knocked off its leg. That's what they saw. No I wasn't put out or mad at the vet. Everything the vet said wouldn't have spooked me as a buyer, but like I said these people had never seen a vet check. The vet did say what to expect before she did it.
Well then, nuff said. Buyer has never seen a vet check! I think you scared them in to never buying even a POS without a vet check. Your problem, your loss, your wallet. I would rethink how you treat your buyers
You are very rude! I was more than polite to the buyers. And I wasn't being a smart aleck when I said they had never seen a vet check. I was serious. |
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| My understanding was the buyers were coming to pay for and pick up the horse, the seller (the op) still had possession of the horse, and horse got injured. The seller then notified the buyers and encouraged them to get a vet check and pay for said vet check. The seller sought out the vet and vet arrived and completed vet check.
My understanding if the horse did not get injured the horse would have been bought without a vet check.
One can also look at it the horse was injured, the seller wanted a free vet check, so convinced the potential buyers to pay for vet check. Due to the vet check buyers decided against buying the horse. The seller now knows the results of the vet check without it costing her anything. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-06-11 9:51 AM runs4fun - 2014-06-11 8:54 AM The vet did her job and did it well. The things you mentioned are things that one (experienced horse people) would expect a vet to say. I've never bought a horse that I had vetted that some of the little things you mentioned didn't come up....those things did not prevent me from buying the horse. I mainly want to look for any signs of navicular or stifle problems etc....mainly I always want those navicular shots of the foot just to be sure!
Anyhow, the vet did her job as she was expected and she gave an honest appraisal of the horse. Plus remember she is the one responsible for telling them the truth and the whole truth about a horse as she sees it and failure to do so can come back on her later in the form of malpractice.
Any time we are selling horses we have to deal with a certain number of idiots and you just happened to experience that in this instance. agree... except I cant call them idiots.. They didn;t want the horse and thats how it was.. its their money and if they weren't comfortable buying the horse then thats how it is.. why do you all call them a idiot.Just because they may not know what others know more experienced doesnt deserve that imho..
move on to next buyer.
I agree, I totally shouldn't of called them idiots. After thinking about it, I realized that they just decided after the vet check that they didn't want the horse and that's what vet checks for are...to help you find out if you want to pay for a horse or not...my bad. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-06-11 1:45 PM
My understanding was the buyers were coming to pay for and pick up the horse, the seller (the op) still had possession of the horse, and horse got injured. The seller then notified the buyers and encouraged them to get a vet check and pay for said vet check. The seller sought out the vet and vet arrived and completed vet check.
My understanding if the horse did not get injured the horse would have been bought without a vet check.
One can also look at it the horse was injured, the seller wanted a free vet check, so convinced the potential buyers to pay for vet check. Due to the vet check buyers decided against buying the horse. The seller now knows the results of the vet check without it costing her anything.
Hi Cheryl, no that is not correct. I probably didn't explain it clear. The horse already had the skinned spot when they came and rode him the first time. They rode him a hour and he never limped or even acted sore or anything. I told them vet checks were welcome at there expense. Although I did set it up for them, and I probably should have left that to them as another poster suggested. Like I said it was very minor i personally wouldn't have given it a second thought, but that may be just me. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-06-11 1:45 PM
My understanding was the buyers were coming to pay for and pick up the horse, the seller (the op) still had possession of the horse, and horse got injured. The seller then notified the buyers and encouraged them to get a vet check and pay for said vet check. The seller sought out the vet and vet arrived and completed vet check.
My understanding if the horse did not get injured the horse would have been bought without a vet check.
One can also look at it the horse was injured, the seller wanted a free vet check, so convinced the potential buyers to pay for vet check. Due to the vet check buyers decided against buying the horse. The seller now knows the results of the vet check without it costing her anything.
I also wanted to add that I asked the vets office for a copy of the vet check after the people had left and the vet said without there permission they could not give me that. Is that standard? I understand they paid for it, but I just thought since I owned the horse it would be my medical records? |
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Location: Midwest | TxBronc - 2014-06-11 2:03 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-06-11 1:45 PM My understanding was the buyers were coming to pay for and pick up the horse, the seller (the op) still had possession of the horse, and horse got injured. The seller then notified the buyers and encouraged them to get a vet check and pay for said vet check. The seller sought out the vet and vet arrived and completed vet check. My understanding if the horse did not get injured the horse would have been bought without a vet check. One can also look at it the horse was injured, the seller wanted a free vet check, so convinced the potential buyers to pay for vet check. Due to the vet check buyers decided against buying the horse. The seller now knows the results of the vet check without it costing her anything. I also wanted to add that I asked the vets office for a copy of the vet check after the people had left and the vet said without there permission they could not give me that. Is that standard? I understand they paid for it, but I just thought since I owned the horse it would be my medical records?
Nope, that is standard. If they paid for it, they don't have to release it to you. |
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Location: WYOMING | TxBronc - 2014-06-11 3:03 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-11 1:45 PM
My understanding was the buyers were coming to pay for and pick up the horse, the seller (the op) still had possession of the horse, and horse got injured. The seller then notified the buyers and encouraged them to get a vet check and pay for said vet check. The seller sought out the vet and vet arrived and completed vet check.
My understanding if the horse did not get injured the horse would have been bought without a vet check.
One can also look at it the horse was injured, the seller wanted a free vet check, so convinced the potential buyers to pay for vet check. Due to the vet check buyers decided against buying the horse. The seller now knows the results of the vet check without it costing her anything.
I also wanted to add that I asked the vets office for a copy of the vet check after the people had left and the vet said without there permission they could not give me that. Is that standard? I understand they paid for it, but I just thought since I owned the horse it would be my medical records?
Nope, they belong to the vets client whom you approved to have the work done. Sorry you lost your sale, welcome to horse selling! Perhaps you can offer the x buyers $ for a copy, sometimes they dont mind, sometimes they say no. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | I always hate pre-purchase exams no matter who the vet is or their age! I refuse to let one of mine have a pre-purchase exam done without my presence. I agree with one poster that there are "buyers" vets and "sellers" vets. There should be no pass or fail unless the horse has a major issue and is a high performance horse.
What happened with your horse's exam was probably a blessing in disguise as the buyers are novice horse people and you would never hear the end of it if a problem came up no matter how small. Feel better knowing that they will probably go a look a several more horses and pay for several more expensive vet exams without ever buying a horse. The downside is their money will be gone to the vets instead of spent on a horse. So who makes the money off of vet exams?? Vets! However, the vet exams do help protect both buyers and sellers if done right.
I would much rather deal with an experienced horse person using a "buyers" vet because then I know they want my horse badly enough to try and find something wrong hoping the vet will use some kindof wording that will make me think there is something wrong and they can go through the song and dance of they are willing to take a chance but will have to offer me much less than what the horse is priced at. In other words, they are using the vet exam as bargaining power. I usually laugh and say something like "you can't con me that easy". Horse is priced at XXX take it or leave it.
It's a bummer thinking that the horse was sold and I'm sure you were already counting on the money but I truly think you and the horse are better off.
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I've got one better.....had a lady interested in purchasing a 3 year old son of Bullys On Fire. She came to ride him from 8 hours away after I sent several videos/photos/etc etc etc. She already picked a vet of her choosing to do the vet check prior to her coming, which is passed with flying colors.
So the lady shows up, knowing that this is a young still green 3 year old. She rides him for roughly two hours (and watched me ride him as well). The whole time this 3 year old was acting like a 15 year old seasoned, been there/done that kind of horse. Impressive if you ask me. He literally did EVERYTHING that was asked of him, and never even made a single mistake that you would expect out of a 3 year old.
Meantime as I'm watching this lady, realizing she doesn't have even 10 percent of the experience she claimed to have, I was concocting lies I could tell her about the horse (like he would buck every now and then) because I really didn't want her as the new owner.
Well....after it was all said and done with (and me thinking this is a done deal)....the lady rides up to the fence i'm sitting on, colt drops his head and patiently sits there.....and the lady proceeds to tell me that she thinks she will have to decline buying this horse.....
I breathe a sigh of relief, then ask her why.....and I kid you not, word for word, her response was....
"Well.....he's just not happy as a clam".......
It was all I could do to not fall off the damn fence. To this day I still have no idea what she meant. But the horse did end up getting sold and went on to be, and still is, a very very tough 1D horse all over the east coast.
That's probably my favorite story. Then the lady who insisted on buying a grey horse from me that wasn't even for sale. He was a bronc. But she wanted a grey horse. She made me an offer I couldn't refuse, and signed a written purchase agreement that legally stated the horse WILL BUCK HER OFF. Saw the lady a few years later and she laughed as she said that the horse has bucked her off a few times, but she was still head over heels in love with him. |
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Location: In a happy place | missroselee - 2014-06-11 3:32 PM I've got one better.....had a lady interested in purchasing a 3 year old son of Bullys On Fire. She came to ride him from 8 hours away after I sent several videos/photos/etc etc etc. She already picked a vet of her choosing to do the vet check prior to her coming, which is passed with flying colors.
So the lady shows up, knowing that this is a young still green 3 year old. She rides him for roughly two hours (and watched me ride him as well). The whole time this 3 year old was acting like a 15 year old seasoned, been there/done that kind of horse. Impressive if you ask me. He literally did EVERYTHING that was asked of him, and never even made a single mistake that you would expect out of a 3 year old.
Meantime as I'm watching this lady, realizing she doesn't have even 10 percent of the experience she claimed to have, I was concocting lies I could tell her about the horse (like he would buck every now and then) because I really didn't want her as the new owner.
Well....after it was all said and done with (and me thinking this is a done deal)....the lady rides up to the fence i'm sitting on, colt drops his head and patiently sits there.....and the lady proceeds to tell me that she thinks she will have to decline buying this horse.....
I breathe a sigh of relief, then ask her why.....and I kid you not, word for word, her response was....
"Well.....he's just not happy as a clam".......
It was all I could do to not fall off the damn fence. To this day I still have no idea what she meant. But the horse did end up getting sold and went on to be, and still is, a very very tough 1D horse all over the east coast.
That's probably my favorite story. Then the lady who insisted on buying a grey horse from me that wasn't even for sale. He was a bronc. But she wanted a grey horse. She made me an offer I couldn't refuse, and signed a written purchase agreement that legally stated the horse WILL BUCK HER OFF. Saw the lady a few years later and she laughed as she said that the horse has bucked her off a few times, but she was still head over heels in love with him.
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| The vet did nothing wrong. If the people continue to use same vet, however, they will never get a horse bought as every horse has something "wrong"-whether it be minor or major. you're better off without those buyers. |
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| Many, many years ago there was a Vet around here who was pretty good. Lots of people liked him. But the joke was, he does 2 types of pre-purchase exams. One where he actually gets out of his truck. No names to protect the innocent. |
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