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| *almost there* - 2014-07-03 10:22 PM tebar - 2014-07-03 2:38 PM The talk on fg is his strong maternal side,with that being said who has the better mom? Was FG not advertised as being related to Bozo? I'm just trying to fiqure out if Dinero or FG has the better dam? I also think the owners have had very different plans for the horses. Potter's want versitile horses and aren't that worried about futurities, if they were I can qurantee the out come would be different. FG is in it for the futurities and $'s. Neither is wrong it's just the difference in one owner and the other. I have yet to see a son or daughter of FG do what Stingray has done in the rodeo world, but have not seen futurity horses by him done what the FG have done. I would like to know how many starters they each had and what they got done. Not just the ones that have won money. Like the race horses # of starters # of money earners etc. I agree, this post is spot on. I just shake my head when people talk about his stud fee being too high? I think he has earned it. Heck, he's even ran at the NFR himself, let alone full brother to Bozo, sire of Stingray, and sired horses who have broke arena records, plus he is such a good athlete he's competed professionally at the pro rodeo level in three different events..... So I guess I just personally don't see a problem with the stud fee.. I don't know if I understand the "User friendly" comment. Maybe it's not the horse thats lacking, but the horsemanship that's lacking?? Not meaning to flame but I honestly do not understand that. Dinero, FG, Sun Frost, Driftwood, all those great lines just make me think of a horse with a great mind? Please don't read that in a bad tone, just discussing   
FG is by Sun Fros out of Frenchmans Lady (by Laughing Boy) who is a dgtr of the Loiseau foundation mare Caseys Ladylove. Bozo, Frenchmans Mark, PC Frenchman and Dinero are by Sun Frost out of a Caseys Lady Love dgtr as well (Caseys Charm by Tiny Circus). So the genetics share a large amount of similarities. Frenchmans Fabulous actually brings in Tiny Circus and another shot of the great Lady Love mare.
We don' have any own sons or dgtrs of FG or the Dinero/Mark/PC Frenchmans horses but have multiple Sun Frost grand get, FG grand get and PC Sun Socks sons/dgtrs. I will say that we have never had one that was anything but user friendly. We are around a lot of own sons/dgtrs of FG and the Bozo stallions and some are tougher than other but there are sure a lot of kids, "senior race" riders and recreational riders that get along with them. Sure there are going to be some snort thrown in there but with that large a sample theres bound to be.
As far as Potters taking a long time to find a winner for her to ride I have no idea her stats over the years but I will say most NEVER find one, much less multiples that perform at that level much less out of their own program.
I'm probably a little biased but tried to be fair with this soap box. Love em, hate em, whatever sometimes its hard for both sides to see the big pic.
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Location: WYOMING | I remember the OTMR horses being calld non user friendly. Truth was, or at least my experiences were, they were highly intuitive, smart and didnt put up with or need a lot of drilling. A lot of folks drill and nitpik then label the frustated horse non user friendly. Just my guess that perhaps Dinero babies are similar to this.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
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Location: Way up North | Honestly I think a lot of it comes down to marketing. FG owners, IMO, have pushed his advertising more. They hold back some really nice progeny, make sure they have the right kind of foundation, then sell them through their sale that brings in tons of "the right people". They are able to set up at least a few progeny from every foal crop to have the chance at success.
I don't think the Potter's have wanted to get as many mares under Dinero. When you think about it breeding is their hobby, not their main source of income. They have had less incentive to really push him and by setting his fee high they weed out a lot of the people and make the hassle worth their time. They sell his progeny off the ranch for very reasonable prices but most aren't even started so it becomes the new owner's responsibility to get the right kind of foundation on them and get them on the right track which can be really hard to do in some locations with any kind of horse.
I don't think FG or Dinero get are for everyone but that goes for every line. Everybody likes something a little different and trains a little different. |
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| Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
And like illegal immigrants, most of them work their arse off ;) |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM
Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.Â
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand?
I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015. |
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| Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM
Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate...
Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.Â
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand?
I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015.
Tres Seis get are already in demand and becoming popular because of their ability... Much like FG and FWF. |
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| *almost there* - 2014-07-03 10:22 PM
tebar - 2014-07-03 2:38 PM The talk on fg is his strong maternal side,with that being said who has the better mom? Was FG not advertised as being related to Bozo? I'm just trying to fiqure out if Dinero or FG has the better dam? I also think the owners have had very different plans for the horses. Potter's want versitile horses and aren't that worried about futurities, if they were I can qurantee the out come would be different. FG is in it for the futurities and $'s. Neither is wrong it's just the difference in one owner and the other. I have yet to see a son or daughter of FG do what Stingray has done in the rodeo world, but have not seen futurity horses by him done what the FG have done. I would like to know how many starters they each had and what they got done. Not just the ones that have won money. Like the race horses # of starters # of money earners etc.
I agree, this post is spot on. I just shake my head when people talk about his stud fee being too high? I think he has earned it. Heck, he's even ran at the NFR himself, let alone full brother to Bozo, sire of Stingray, and sired horses who have broke arena records, plus he is such a good athlete he's competed professionally at the pro rodeo level in three different events..... So I guess I just personally don't see a problem with the stud fee.. I don't know if I understand the "User friendly" comment. Maybe it's not the horse thats lacking, but the horsemanship that's lacking?? Not meaning to flame but I honestly do not understand that. Dinero, FG, Sun Frost, Driftwood, all those great lines just make me think of a horse with a great mind? Please don't read that in a bad tone, just discussingÂ
The same can be said for Beduinos. I like them. |
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| Sorry if this is a silly question.
But im cerious if you owner Dinero (not directed at anybody just in general so anybody can chime in) what would you set his stud fee at?
And are there any other stallions who have competed sucessfuly at a pro level in multiple events and go on to sire multiple winners in multiple events? I find that very impressive, Espicaly as breeders are getting most and more focused on a specific discipline. |
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Location: torrington, wy | Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
I agree i would love to have bred to him. Nice nice horse. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | bennie1 - 2014-07-04 9:24 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road. Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand? I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015. Tres Seis get are already in demand and becoming popular because of their ability... Much like FG and FWF.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand? I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015.
They don't have to. The owners of his get are proving it in the barrel pen just like FWF himself and his get did along with DTF. The great ones find homes in knowledgeable hands and they do the advertising for them. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | teehaha - 2014-07-05 11:32 AM bennie1 - 2014-07-04 9:24 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand? I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015. Tres Seis get are already in demand and becoming popular because of their ability... Much like FG and FWF.
You sure would know all about that and lost a great one. So glad you were able to collect a good amount of semen from him so he can carry on.
Everyone I've been around has the great minds like the FWF but I would say they bring more speed with them. They seem to be crotch rockets..LOL |
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| Didn't MP Haypatch Tiger do well in futurities? Sired by Dinero. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | teehaha - 2014-07-05 11:32 AM bennie1 - 2014-07-04 9:24 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 10:21 PM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Do the owners have enough money to make him in demand? I have a friend thats going to futurity one in 2015. Tres Seis get are already in demand and becoming popular because of their ability... Much like FG and FWF.
And today one of Slim's sons proved my Crotch Rocket comment. SI 108 on his first out! |
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Location: OH. IO | Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 6:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
 I agree 100 percent!!!! |
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Location: Denver, but a Nebraska native -- GO BIG RED!!! | Fabulous and Dinero are out of the same mare I believe... |
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Location: The edge of no where | Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
I really would like one of these... Love that horse! I just can't swing the $6,800 stud fee.
Also think that Triple Vodka's babies will be very very nice. There've been some great horses with Tres Seis on top and Stoli on bottom.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | MS2011 - 2014-07-09 7:46 AM Nevertooold - 2014-07-04 5:55 PM Itsme - 2014-07-04 8:34 AM FGs and FWF are like illegal immigrants, they are flooding our country at an alarming rate... Never fear...The Tres Seis horses will be the next must have breeding.
It's pretty hard not to want a horse that can run, turn and most anyone can ride plus be a dream to haul down the road.
Also think that Triple Vodka's babies will be very very nice. There've been some great horses with Tres Seis on top and Stoli on bottom.
Triple Vodka has some really nice babies on the ground. Can't wait to see what they do. |
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