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Location: North Dakota | LMS - 2014-07-10 1:57 PM r_beau - 2014-07-10 1:44 PM LMS - 2014-07-10 10:23 AM So, call me old school but why not buy the injectable and give it orally in a syringe?? No waiting necessary. You just pay more for the "flavoring" Tried that. I bought 3 tubes to use and all 3 of them were so hard in the tube that I literally cannot squeeze it out. I have to use both hands to push and even then it really doesn't come out. Didn't work at ALL. I asked around after that and everyone said it is because of the brand and that's all we can get up here. 
Oh, I see. I misunderstood you.
Ehhhhhh, I don't think I trust myself to do an IV medication. Way too risky. I'd rather figure out something with the feed-through. |
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Location: North Dakota | r_beau - 2014-07-10 4:16 PM LMS - 2014-07-10 1:57 PM r_beau - 2014-07-10 1:44 PM LMS - 2014-07-10 10:23 AM So, call me old school but why not buy the injectable and give it orally in a syringe?? No waiting necessary. You just pay more for the "flavoring" Tried that. I bought 3 tubes to use and all 3 of them were so hard in the tube that I literally cannot squeeze it out. I have to use both hands to push and even then it really doesn't come out. Didn't work at ALL. I asked around after that and everyone said it is because of the brand and that's all we can get up here.
Ehhhhhh, I don't think I trust myself to do an IV medication. Way too risky. I'd rather figure out something with the feed-through.
ETA: Just saw Flitastics response and I've never had that happen, but I don't use it regularly either.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | TurnLane - 2014-07-10 8:14 AM I thought it was legal to compund IF it is needed in a different delivery method (say for example grape flavored) much like human compounders do for childrens medicines?
For compounded products to be legal they must be made from FDA approved finished products. For example if a compounder wanted to make an apple flavored bute powder they should crush FDA approved bute tablets and add the apple flavoring. That is legal. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | FLITASTIC - 2014-07-10 3:02 PM Liquid injectable Bute is extremely dangerous! If outside the vein it will destroy and abcess soft tissue. Much worse than ban amine in the muscle. I would not give it orally.
We have given it orally for years with no side effects.....even prescribed by the vet........You just can't use this type of method daily..... |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | halter_ego - 2014-07-10 11:58 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-07-09 8:11 PM SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is the only FDA ANADA 200-333 approved apple flavored bute powder besides the Citrus. US Patent # US 8,524,759 B2 is my patent and it covers all flavors of bute powder as a flavor carrier. I have said this a million times on here that 100% of all compounded bute powders it totally illegal and unethical sold by greedy vets. SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is currently off the market because there weren't enough ethical vets out there to make it go. Yes we had a very loyal bunch of vets but not enough of them. We are currently in negociations with a larger pharmaceutical company to buy us out. When SUPERIORBUTE POWDER comes back on the market, it will be even better than before.
Speaking of illegal bute powder products, the crimminal investigation of the FDA is meeting with me next week concerning illegal compounded bute powders. I am confused. If it is illegal, why are they being allowed to do it? And.. what is the difference between this situation and other Name Brand vs. Generic drugs?
In the FDA world it is called Pioneer drug. The first to get an FDA approval. When it is allowed to get Generic after patent runs out the generic has to show bio equivalent to the Pioneer. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | MRM27 - 2014-07-10 10:01 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-07-09 10:11 PM SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is the only FDA ANADA 200-333 approved apple flavored bute powder besides the Citrus. US Patent # US 8,524,759 B2 is my patent and it covers all flavors of bute powder as a flavor carrier. I have said this a million times on here that 100% of all compounded bute powders it totally illegal and unethical sold by greedy vets. SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is currently off the market because there weren't enough ethical vets out there to make it go. Yes we had a very loyal bunch of vets but not enough of them. We are currently in negociations with a larger pharmaceutical company to buy us out. When SUPERIORBUTE POWDER comes back on the market, it will be even better than before.
Speaking of illegal bute powder products, the crimminal investigation of the FDA is meeting with me next week concerning illegal compounded bute powders. You sound like the greedy one to me.
Greedy not hardly! After spending close to $2 million, I haven't made a damn dime! |
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Location: North Dakota | NJJ - 2014-07-10 5:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2014-07-10 3:02 PM Liquid injectable Bute is extremely dangerous! If outside the vein it will destroy and abcess soft tissue. Much worse than ban amine in the muscle. I would not give it orally. We have given it orally for years with no side effects.....even prescribed by the vet........You just can't use this type of method daily.....
Yes, it does not need to be injected liquid in the mouth works great just be sure there is something in their belly |
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Location: California | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-07-10 5:36 PM
MRM27 - 2014-07-10 10:01 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-07-09 10:11 PM SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is the only FDA ANADA 200-333 approved apple flavored bute powder besides the Citrus. US Patent # US 8,524,759 B2 is my patent and it covers all flavors of bute powder as a flavor carrier. I have said this a million times on here that 100% of all compounded bute powders it totally illegal and unethical sold by greedy vets. SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is currently off the market because there weren't enough ethical vets out there to make it go. Yes we had a very loyal bunch of vets but not enough of them. We are currently in negociations with a larger pharmaceutical company to buy us out. When SUPERIORBUTE POWDER comes back on the market, it will be even better than before.
Speaking of illegal bute powder products, the crimminal investigation of the FDA is meeting with me next week concerning illegal compounded bute powders. You sound like the greedy one to me.
Whoa! You have every right to be upset! |
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Location: Nebraska | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2014-07-10 4:24 PM r_beau - 2014-07-10 4:16 PM LMS - 2014-07-10 1:57 PM r_beau - 2014-07-10 1:44 PM LMS - 2014-07-10 10:23 AM So, call me old school but why not buy the injectable and give it orally in a syringe?? No waiting necessary. You just pay more for the "flavoring" Tried that. I bought 3 tubes to use and all 3 of them were so hard in the tube that I literally cannot squeeze it out. I have to use both hands to push and even then it really doesn't come out. Didn't work at ALL. I asked around after that and everyone said it is because of the brand and that's all we can get up here.
Ehhhhhh, I don't think I trust myself to do an IV medication. Way too risky. I'd rather figure out something with the feed-through.
ETA: Just saw Flitastics response and I've never had that happen, but I don't use it regularly either.
isn't the dosing different on IV vs orally because oral has to bypass the gut first? So are you really giving the correct dose when giving IV orally? |
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Location: North Dakota | No 1 gram is 1 gram regardless of how you give it |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-07-10 5:36 PM
MRM27 - 2014-07-10 10:01 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-07-09 10:11 PM SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is the only FDA ANADA 200-333 approved apple flavored bute powder besides the Citrus. US Patent # US 8,524,759 B2 is my patent and it covers all flavors of bute powder as a flavor carrier. I have said this a million times on here that 100% of all compounded bute powders it totally illegal and unethical sold by greedy vets. SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is currently off the market because there weren't enough ethical vets out there to make it go. Yes we had a very loyal bunch of vets but not enough of them. We are currently in negociations with a larger pharmaceutical company to buy us out. When SUPERIORBUTE POWDER comes back on the market, it will be even better than before.
Speaking of illegal bute powder products, the crimminal investigation of the FDA is meeting with me next week concerning illegal compounded bute powders. You sound like the greedy one to me.
The way I read it you come off rude. I can see now you are frustrated and have reason to be upset. Please forgive me. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | MRM27 - 2014-07-11 12:11 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-07-10 5:36 PM MRM27 - 2014-07-10 10:01 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-07-09 10:11 PM SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is the only FDA ANADA 200-333 approved apple flavored bute powder besides the Citrus. US Patent # US 8,524,759 B2 is my patent and it covers all flavors of bute powder as a flavor carrier. I have said this a million times on here that 100% of all compounded bute powders it totally illegal and unethical sold by greedy vets. SUPERIORBUTE POWDER is currently off the market because there weren't enough ethical vets out there to make it go. Yes we had a very loyal bunch of vets but not enough of them. We are currently in negociations with a larger pharmaceutical company to buy us out. When SUPERIORBUTE POWDER comes back on the market, it will be even better than before.
Speaking of illegal bute powder products, the crimminal investigation of the FDA is meeting with me next week concerning illegal compounded bute powders. You sound like the greedy one to me. The way I read it you come off rude. I can see now you are frustrated and have reason to be upset. Please forgive me.
Foregiven, I am very busy so when I post sometimes it is quick and to the point. Some people may see some of my comments as arrogant but I am far from an arrogant person. I just don't sugar coat anything. I need help posting from HotBearLVR. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | r_beau - 2014-07-10 1:44 PM LMS - 2014-07-10 10:23 AM So, call me old school but why not buy the injectable and give it orally in a syringe?? No waiting necessary. You just pay more for the "flavoring" Tried that. I bought 3 tubes to use and all 3 of them were so hard in the tube that I literally cannot squeeze it out. I have to use both hands to push and even then it really doesn't come out. Didn't work at ALL. I asked around after that and everyone said it is because of the brand and that's all we can get up here.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | LMS - 2014-07-10 5:43 PM NJJ - 2014-07-10 5:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2014-07-10 3:02 PM Liquid injectable Bute is extremely dangerous! If outside the vein it will destroy and abcess soft tissue. Much worse than ban amine in the muscle. I would not give it orally. We have given it orally for years with no side effects.....even prescribed by the vet........You just can't use this type of method daily.....
We have done this in a pinch but it is SUPER SUPER BITTER..... I advise mixing it with molasses or something. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | I have the best luck with 1 gram of bute and 3 grams of sugar in a syringe w some water .... my horse loves it, it takes the bitter out... I get apple flavored from my vet. :)
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I use the peppermint flavored powder. Way better and so much easier than the paste. I have cut tablets in half and melted them in water in a syringe or ground them up really fine with a pill grinder and put them in apple sauce and sucked it up in one of the really big syringes. |
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Location: SoCal | When I ran my gelding years ago, he could taste and smell it then refuse to eat, so we used jello(can't recall if we actually made the jello or gave him the jello powder with it). When he caught on to that, he got maple syrup, which he still can't refuse. He's got a major sweet tooth... |
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