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Sock Snob
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| Take you studies and call around, somebody may have a better idea. Stem cell is something like 2300.00. You can do tildren or shockwave or prp. There are a lot of avenues you can visit. |
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| First off sorry I was really tired this morning when I responded so butt hurt. I had been at work all night and then rode that morning so I was exhausted and "touchy"
I'll try to remember everyone's questions. Thanks everyone by the way.
I have her on adequan, did the loading dose.
I have her on Pentosan Gold, has been on pentosan but not the gold for a long time.
I have her on THE MM Special Blend with joint & arthritis.
I injected her stifle April 1 and had acupuncture done (unrelated).
She was good for about 3 months like that and then started hit & miss. One run she was in the bottom 2- top 3. A week later she was 4-5D because she would BLOW the first barrel not being able to support herself with her outside hind to launch from the barrel.
(When she was diagnosed) I took her to Dr. Hague at Oakridge and he immediately saw the issue, blocked it, x-rayed it and injected her. He said he couldn't see the amount of cartilage damage and the amount of time the injection lasts will tell how much damage she's got. The spur is right where the cruciate ligaments cross.
Unfortunately it didn't last. He said if it lasts less than 5-6 mos than surgery is really the only option. I was quoted at least 5K by them and more (8) by the vet I work at (they would take payments so it's kinda my only option).
Someone ask why I was asking for OPs after purchasing instead of before. I did ask before it just never got replied to and I had a few friends of friends on Facebook message me with good experiences with the product and had the $$ at the time. I'm in that financial situation where if you have it extra to do it with, do it because it won't be there next week.
The first tube I bought I got really cheap because a lady wanted rid of it because she was sponsored by a competitor company and didn't want to be using the Equidite products. The second tube I just bought off the site because I sold a colt and had the cash.
Even if I could figure out how to afford the surgery it scares the crap out of me. I have heard more horror stories than good about going into a joint like that.
Wow that was long. Again sorry I got so butt hurt this am. |
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The Advice Guru
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| There is also a generic stem cell called a cell, which the studies have proven just as effective as the fat stem cells. It costs 200/bottle |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | surgery fixed mine. I don't think it was anywhere near that price. I think it was 3,000 |
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| I can't explain how this stuff works but I have a 6 year old made that was born with awful hind legs. We did everything to get her on her feet and eventually things turned out. Then at age 3 we broke her and although she seemed to be OK her hind stifles and pasterns would snap and she felt from time to time as though she would go down. Aculife patches helped but didn't stop the popping or snapping feeling. A friend told us about ECJR we used it and this little girl is amazing !!!! I for 1 don't care how it works I just know that our girl is a smoking barrel racing babe , better than her mama (r.i.p Lil) and those where some big horses shoes to fill!! ECJR worth the price for our girl and my piece of mind, the proof is in her healthy joints and the pay window. |
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 Quack Quack Woodle Woodle
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Location: Texas | I know nothing about the product.. Is the egg shell meal supposed to be the "embryo" part? I know multiple studies have shown that oral joint supplements are for the most part ineffective (other than the anti inflammatory ingredients) because the molecules in glucosamine, HA, etc, etc are HUGE and are nearly completely digested or just go right through without being absorbed by the body. I use oral anti inflammatories but all my joint supplements are injectible. These products are proven to go where whey're needed and can actually heal the injury.
Either way.... I had a horse get laproscopic surgery on both stifles at Oakridge and stayed for 3 days and it was like ... 3000. He was the same way... couldn't see all the damage on ultrasound so decided to just go in and see for sure what was going on and try to fix it. Same horse had colic surgery at ESMS and stayed a week and it was still only like 5-6000. I'd check around and compare prices at some different clinics.
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The Advice Guru
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| fifteenflat - 2014-07-21 11:40 PM
I know nothing about the product.. Is the egg shell meal supposed to be the "embryo" part? I know multiple studies have shown that oral joint supplements are for the most part ineffective (other than the anti inflammatory ingredients) because the molecules in glucosamine, HA, etc, etc are HUGE and are nearly completely digested or just go right through without being absorbed by the body. I use oral anti inflammatories but all my joint supplements are injectible. These products are proven to go where whey're needed and can actually heal the injury.
Either way.... I had a horse get laproscopic surgery on both stifles at Oakridge and stayed for 3 days and it was like ... 3000. He was the same way... couldn't see all the damage on ultrasound so decided to just go in and see for sure what was going on and try to fix it. Same horse had colic surgery at ESMS and stayed a week and it was still only like 5-6000. I'd check around and compare prices at some different clinics.
Actually HA IV has not been proven to go to the joint, my understanding is they have tired attaching radio graphic isotopes to the HA and none of the isotopes were found in the joint.
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | No worries. We all have our days!
I personally would look into qualifying for care credit. Lots of clinics will take it.
Otherwise I would just give her a year off while I save for the surgery, much as it would suck for me. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Also, what did you have her injected with? |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | adollarforannie - 2014-07-22 12:28 AM I can't explain how this stuff works but I have a 6 year old made that was born with awful hind legs. We did everything to get her on her feet and eventually things turned out. Then at age 3 we broke her and although she seemed to be OK her hind stifles and pasterns would snap and she felt from time to time as though she would go down. Aculife patches helped but didn't stop the popping or snapping feeling. A friend told us about ECJR we used it and this little girl is amazing !!!! I for 1 don't care how it works I just know that our girl is a smoking barrel racing babe , better than her mama (r.i.p Lil) and those where some big horses shoes to fill!! ECJR worth the price for our girl and my piece of mind, the proof is in her healthy joints and the pay window.
Probraby had "nothing " to do with the stuff.. glad shes better though..
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 Owner of a ratting catting machine
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| I'm not criticizing, just curious, but why if injections are lasting 90 days or so, are you upset and ready to retire your mare? That seems about right, actually, for bone spurs.
I would definitely be saving to do surgery, but I would be keeping her injected to keep her comfortable at the very least.
I would also be hunting down a teaching hospital, sounds like you could save oodles of money by going road tripping and getting the surgery done for less in a different region. Just a thought. |
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Owner of a ratting catting machine
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-07-22 9:05 AM
adollarforannie - 2014-07-22 12:28 AM I can't explain how this stuff works but I have a 6 year old made that was born with awful hind legs. We did everything to get her on her feet and eventually things turned out. Then at age 3 we broke her and although she seemed to be OK her hind stifles and pasterns would snap and she felt from time to time as though she would go down. Aculife patches helped but didn't stop the popping or snapping feeling. A friend told us about ECJR we used it and this little girl is amazing !!!! I for 1 don't care how it works I just know that our girl is a smoking barrel racing babe , better than her mama (r.i.p Lil) and those where some big horses shoes to fill!! ECJR worth the price for our girl and my piece of mind, the proof is in her healthy joints and the pay window.
Probraby had "nothing " to do with the stuff.. glad shes better though..
Agree. Stifles usually work themselves out in young horses with excercise and maturation.
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