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Location: Bluebonnet Heaven | What is your opinion on sellers giving "full disclosure" on horses being sold? Do you think that obvious behavior or physical problems be put in their ads; told upon contact or wait until the prospective buyers shows up in person? |
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| I sold a very nice bred filly that had a blown vein from treatment for an abscess. I did not put that in the add or disclose to every person who called on her. If I could tell they were interested and a serious buyer I did disclose and released all vet records before they put any time or money in to trying to see her in person. I sold her in 2 weeks. I personally would be very hacked off if I had spent time and $$ to travel to see a horse to get there and find out it had an issue that maybe was a deal breaker for me. I think it is a courtesy to let a buyer know before they come see the horse. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-07-12 6:16 PM I sold a very nice bred filly that had a blown vein from treatment for an abscess. I did not put that in the add or disclose to every person who called on her. If I could tell they were interested and a serious buyer I did disclose and released all vet records before they put any time or money in to trying to see her in person. I sold her in 2 weeks. I personally would be very hacked off if I had spent time and $$ to travel to see a horse to get there and find out it had an issue that maybe was a deal breaker for me. I think it is a courtesy to let a buyer know before they come see the horse.
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Location: Bluebonnet Heaven | That's what I was thinking. Diesel is $3.68-$3.89/gallon not to mention my time, and to have a seller withhold information regarding a horse after a 4 hour drive, I thought was rude, inconsiderate, shady and just not following "The Golden Rule". And these were not subjective issues. These were physical and behavior issues that were a deal breaker for me. Lesson learned that I will have to probe more and not expect all sellers to be honest and freely share information. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I try and do full disclosure, but it seems the more truthful you are about minimal issues, the more it scares people off. I have a 9yr old ranch gelding I am selling as a ranch/trail horse. He has only been pasture roped on so not what I would call a rope horse. He is shorter-14.3 and requires front shoes or he is tender footed across rocks. The shoe thing seems to be a deal breaker for everyone and yet 90 some % of people always shoe them anyways. I am willing to do x rays etc at buyers expense, as he is 9 and if I were buying him, I would want a vet check.
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Location: British Columbia | Â I had a seller show me a picture of a horse she had for sale, saying he was well mannered, safe for kids to ride and handle. When we drove there with the truck and trailer it was obvious that the picture was old and the horse was now 400lbs overweight, herd bound(aggressively so) and had not been handled or trimmed in over 2 years since the woman's divorce. She had just left him to be wild on her ex husbands property.I was livid to say the least. A huge waste of time and money for me to drive down there and drag a trailer along with me. |
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The Advice Guru
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| JSwantner - 2014-07-12 5:42 PM
What is your opinion on sellers giving "full disclosure" on horses being sold? Do you think that obvious behavior or physical problems be put in their ads;  told upon contact or wait until the prospective buyers shows up in person? Â
Problem is obvious behaviour problems the behaviour part is subjective, one person may find certain things a problem whereas a other may not.
Same goes for physical problems, each person to their own. If my vet has checked them sound and require no maintenance I am not going mention for example a fractured splint that occurred 6 yrs ago that never caused any lameness issues during the first visits. Prior to the horse changing hands I will disclose all pertinent information.
I as a seller have the right to refuse sale of a horse if I believe it is not a good fit, I also encourage the potential buyer to complete their own vet check by a qualified vet. That vet can then ask for specific information ie radiographs from my vet to use as a comparison.
Personally I won't buy a horse who has had depo injected into the hocks, as my vet will not surgically fuse hocks via laser if depo has been used. |
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Location: Texas | I usually wait until I get a serious email or call before I disclose, but I always disclose everything before a trip is made to see a horse. For example, a yearling filly I sold had a club foot surgery. I didn't put it in her ad but I told all serious inquiries about it. I had another gelding who cribbed- I posted that in his ad that he cribbed since it was such a deal breaker for some people. I don't like to surprise buyers with anything once they get to see the horse… |
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Location: Bluebonnet Heaven | I fully understand that there is are many issues that could be considered subjective in buying and selling a horse. A while back I was looking for a horse from my daughter that had recovered from brain surgery. Safety was of the utmost importance and that was made very clear. We went to try a horse that had very bad alley issues, she would come straight up on her hind legs and had a history of doing so. I couldn't believe that this person could represent that this was a safe horse. I vowed to never do business with that person again no matter what.
The most recent episode was a mare that was a cribber, had a bone chip in her ankle, huge scar on her knee, couldn't touch her ears to bridle, set back just to name a few issues. I couldn't get a straight answer on whether the hocks or any other joint had been injected. The entire deal was shady and the person should have disclosed if not all at least the major issues this mare had before I spent the time and money to come and look at her. For me the cribbing alone would be a deal breaker and I wouldn't have even gone. I can't say the entire day was a waste because I look at every situation as a learning experience.
In selling, I tend to tell maybe too much. The horse is going to tell the truth in due time anyway, so my thinking is that I might as well put it out there in advance. If the horse is a bleeder, has alley issues, cribs, weaves, hock spurs, has feet issues, you are going to know about it from me first. If you follow "The Golden Rule", I figure you can't go wrong. |
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| JSwantner - 2014-07-13 4:54 PM
I fully understand that there is are many issues that could be considered subjective in buying and selling a horse. Â A while back I was looking for a horse from my daughter that had recovered from brain surgery. Â Safety was of the utmost importance and that was made very clear. Â We went to try a horse that had very bad alley issues, she would come straight up on her hind legs and had a history of doing so. Â I couldn't believe that this person could represent that this was a safe horse. Â I vowed to never do business with that person again no matter what. Â
The most recent episode was a mare that was a cribber, had a bone chip in her ankle, huge scar on her knee, couldn't touch her ears to bridle, set back just to name a few issues. Â I couldn't get a straight answer on whether the hocks or any other joint had been injected. Â The entire deal was shady and the person should have disclosed if not all at least the major issues this mare had before I spent the time and money to come and look at her. Â For me the cribbing alone would be a deal breaker and I wouldn't have even gone. Â I can't say the entire day was a waste because I look at every situation as a learning experience.
In selling, I tend to tell maybe too much. Â The horse is going to tell the truth in due time anyway, so my thinking is that I might as well put it out there in advance. Â If the horse is a bleeder, has alley issues, cribs, weaves, hock spurs, has feet issues, you are going to know about it from me first. Â If you follow "The Golden Rule", I figure you can't go wrong. Â Â Â Â Â
I am sorry you went through that.
It really irkes me when people are more worried about selling a horse then someone's safety.
Good luck on your search. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | Sorry you had to go thru that!
One time I was looking for a new horse, my oldie had to be retired and my youngster wasn't ready yet so I was in the market for a ready to go finished barrel/pole kid horse as I was like 11. Found one, got all kinds of info, pictures, anything we wanted to know about him so we went and looked at him...he was about 3 hours away so we pulled the trailer. Got there, he was in a pasture full of soupy nasty mud up to his ankles and covered in mud, FAT, cut up, doesn't look like he has been wormed in a looooong time and the lady comes out and says "go catch him" what?!?! Well, after we finally got him caught and some of the mud off he was real sweet. I had a family friend there who got on him before me to test him out and she a very well known around here, great horse trainer and barrel racer could not hold this guy back just riding around in their yard...he was a high priced fat hooligan!! I felt bad for him and all the others in that situation(at least they were fed pretty good I guess) but nope, we were not impressed that she was showing old pictures and videos of him. |
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Location: North Dakota | I don't understand why sellers would want to withhold issues. I mean, if the prospective buyer comes out to see the horse and it's abundantly clear the horse is not what was advertised, the only possible result is a p!ssed off person leaving with an empty trailer. |
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