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| opinions please :) I was told low starch is best, small quantities of grain, the less processed the better. It hard to find anything like this theses days..... so any advice is great!
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Location: Willows, CA | The best grain is no grain. There are more issues to hind gut acidosis than just grain, but going to a low starch concentrate at low feed rates is a good start. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | I would put them on FORCO and Blue Bonnet Intensify Omega Force! |
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Location: Land Of Oz | Low starch would be where I'd start if you HAD to feed grain. Regardless, I would make sure horse is put on good probiotic. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | No molassas & no beet pulp. Straight grains like barley or oats.
Flax seed to encourage mucous production in the gut and for fat, some rice bran as well.
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Check out chaffhaye -- it has probiotics and enzymes. My old horse has flourished on it. This has a pic of him. http://qheventer.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/old-horses-hard-keepers/
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| Going to 1 lb rice bran (MaxEGlo), 1 lb Ultium, Forco, Enshure, and SmartGut Ultra, all 2X daily, plus free choice alfalfa has turned my guy around. He was really struggling until about 6 weeks ago I started him on this combination. :)
I'd like to get Renew Gold, but it's $48 bucks a bag still where I am. (Eek!)
C'mon Win, work those distributors! |
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I just read the headlines
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| When I googled it a few weeks ago the site I found said no grains beet pulp or alfalfa which shocked me. They recommended Timothy grass hay and rice bran along with digestive enzymes. So that is what I am feeding the old guy and his top line and over his hips is finely filling in and his poop is firming up. Now I need to get his teeth done. |
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Location: sunny california | I give my ulcer prone horse equitite day of a race and then switch to equisure for a couple days after. he was having some problems and I susupected hindgut because i had already done the omeprozole. i gave him equisure one night and was feeling better the next morning.I highly recommend the equisure for hindgut acidosis. I would give it for a couple weeks and wean off. then continue with timothy hay and alfalfa pellets.
edited to add i would give some probiotics/prebiotics also
Edited by kwanatha 2014-08-01 9:08 PM
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| Whatever you feed you need to add FORCO. IT is a digestive fortifier that helps balance the acid levels in the stomach and hind gut. Helps horses to use all the nutrience in their feed better. If you need pricing on forco message me and I can give it to you. I sell forco and can drop ship it anywhere. |
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| Use the KISS system in your feeding program and make sure it makes the horse chew and make lots of SPIT to enter his stomach and digestive system .. IF HIND GUT ACIDOSIS IS SUSPECTED ...
Keep CHEWING and SPIT in mind while reading this ...
Hind gut acidosis is rather simple and created mostly by humans feed programs to their horses. .. Feed hay of some type 24/7 and never allow the stomach to become empty ...
TWO THINGS that happen ....>>>>>>>>>>>>
1)Carb and sugar digestion should happen in the small intestine and not passed into the caecum and colon undigested.
2)Fermentation should occur in the caecum and colon and is created by fiber such as hay of some type. .. If over processed pelletized supplements or feeds with simple undigested carbs and sugars enter here it creates lactic acid and lowers the ph of the tracts which irritates the walls due to loss of mucus ... AND can enter the blood stream and muscles ...
SPIT or for city slickers ... saliva... is the start of the digestive systems needs to digest properly. What makes SPIT?? Whole grains and a good mineral additive with around 30% salt in it like ADM GroStrong minerals. .. Along with a good block of alfalfa to make them slobber just thinking about it ...
It is the refined powders, pellets you find in supplements and feeds and pasty type grains such as barley and wheat and also beet pulp that are the trouble makers ... which are called by some generic term like grain products
Your vets are also one of your biggest trouble makers ... they administer antibiotics to your horse that kill the good gut bacteria with no follow up to replenish the good gut bacteria from the stomach all the way to the colon and caecum ... so the overload of bad gut bacteria upsets their entire system. In this case you need an instant acting probiotic or plain old yogurt to step up the good gut bacteria's population rate to feed for several weeks after any antibiotics ..
KISS and SPIT feeding ... 5 simple things ....>>>>>>>>>>>>
WHOLE OATS .. causes chewing and spit and adds fiber to feed program and very easily digested in the small intestine ..
ALFALFA HAY or water soaked cubes ... makes horse create spit and slobbers like a milk bucket calf ...
ADM GroStrong .... handful each day or other loose mineral supplement with <30% salt ... they will sift thru it if they don't need it ..
YOGURT/PROBIOTIC .. if none was given after last dosages of antibiotics
QUALITY HAY ... 24/7 which keeps a full stomach and does not allow wrinkles to form which can trap simple carbs and sugars and start the acidosis process or low ph levels.
The 5 simple things above are my KISS system on keeping healthy, growthy and plenty of energy to get the job done.!!
Keep in mind horses are built to chew and if you want to add a cup of rolled or chopped corn to your feeding program for a shine and increasing body weight .. that cup means half a pound .. 8oz,,,
Just keep in mind horses are constant grazers and an empty stomach can be their worst enemy ... and don't forget the vetting you do on your horses that can create a number of digestive problems ...
GOOD LUCK AND HEALTHY HORSES ..
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2014-08-03 1:05 AM
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I think my dad's horse is struggling with hindgut issues and I don't really know what to do. I'm going to try to get him into the vet next week. He's had loose poop (cow-pie consistency) for MONTHS, it only firms up if he's on Probios but I don't think that's meant to be fed long term, and so far I haven't found a daily feed thru probiotic that works. I took him off all grain and he's just getting grass hay. He had his teeth done in May and they ran a fecal count on him twice at that time and he came back with 0 worms (he was dewormed end of March) so something else is up, which is why I want blood work done.
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Also not to hijack the thread but what do the feed experts think of this?
http://www.haystackfarmandfeeds.com/horse-products/special-blend-pe...
This is what my other horses get because they're all easy keepers and just need a little something to mix supplements with, I only give them like 3 cups each. My dad's horse that I discussed above is usually an easy keeper too but his topline is disappearing from all of this issues. Would these pellets make hindgut issues worse? I know some peopel are saying no beet pulp and this has beet pulp in it why I was wondering. Otherwise this stuff is great, it smells wonderful.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Fairweather - 2014-08-01 5:42 PM
No molassas & no beet pulp. Straight grains like barley or oats.
Flax seed to encourage mucous production in the gut and for fat, some rice bran as well.
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Check out chaffhaye -- it has probiotics and enzymes. My old horse has flourished on it. This has a pic of him. http://qheventer.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/old-horses-hard-keepers/
Agree with this, we feed whole oats. |
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Location: Texas | How do you know he has hind gut acidosis? |
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The Advice Guru
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| RnRJack - 2014-08-02 1:18 PM
Fairweather - 2014-08-01 5:42 PM
No molassas & no beet pulp. Straight grains like barley or oats.
Flax seed to encourage mucous production in the gut and for fat, some rice bran as well.
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Check out chaffhaye -- it has probiotics and enzymes. My old horse has flourished on it. This has a pic of him. http://qheventer.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/old-horses-hard-keepers/
Agree with this, we feed whole oats.
Whole oats are highly fermentable which can exacerbate the acidosis, and ulcers. |
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The Advice Guru
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| livexlovexrodeo - 2014-08-02 12:54 PM
Also not to hijack the thread but what do the feed experts think of this?
http://www.haystackfarmandfeeds.com/horse-products/special-blend-pe...
This is what my other horses get because they're all easy keepers and just need a little something to mix supplements with, I only give them like 3 cups each. My dad's horse that I discussed above is usually an easy keeper too but his topline is disappearing from all of this issues. Would these pellets make hindgut issues worse? I know some peopel are saying no beet pulp and this has beet pulp in it why I was wondering. Otherwise this stuff is great, it smells wonderful.
I would want to treat the hind gut issues then worry about feed.
I have heard green clay from natural health food stores cures hind gut ulcers.
I would also speak to a vet about giving this particular horse platinum performance bio sponge, a girlfriend of mine uses it on her horses with success, I have some on hand but have never used it.
As for feed, I would try and keep it as simple as possible, flax seed is healthy for all the horse, and processed in the hind gut not fermentable, I would give a processed food with low NSC, I use grow and win made by buckeye it has 13% NSC, fat is low 5% and protein 32. As I said to increase my fat content I give flax seed 1/2-1 cup
You can also speak with a equine nutritionist and have a plan specifically tailored for your horse, you vet may know of one in your area. |
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| I would feed some alfafa and a good low starch grain and all the grass hay. I also feed a low starxh grain like one bag last one week for 3 horses also feed cool calaries, horses look great.
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