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boon
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I just recently joined this board because I am looking for some tips I cannot find on google. I purchased a gelding a couple months ago and his owners told me he ran on lasix. I am new to using this and want to be sure to use it right. They gave him aprox 2-3cc around 2 hours prior to him running. My problem is everything I've found is 4 hours before an event. Is this correct, it's worked for him but I don't want to take a chance.
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| Yes normal time is 4 hrs |
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Location: Bixby, Ok | 2 -4 hours is good the 4 hr deal is the race track rule and their testing is based on that time interval. Min is 2 hrs max is 6 hrs as LASIX only last about 6 hrs. I like 2 hrs as it is working and should something happen to slow down event I have some extra time and if not I can get my horse water sooner. Talk to your vet to be sure |
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 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | My horse will bleed thru if not given 4 hours out. 2 hours doesn't work on him. I've talked to a couple of racetrack vets and both of them told me that 4 hours was found to be when it reached peak effectiveness. I do know lots of barrel racers that give it 1.5- 2 hours out. It seems difficult to get solid information on how to use it, I've had other vets tell me to play around with it a bit to figure out what works best on my horse.
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Location: Texas | My vet told me 2 hours out...but also that I may have to play with dose and time. My advice would be that if it was working for previous owners at 2 hours out I would keep it that way. If it's not broke don't fix it! |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | 4cc 2 hours out worked for me. Take away water and food until after ran.........im |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Every horse is different just like every person we don't all require the same dose, so what the previous owners said and don't read or google to much it will make your head spin.
My bad bleeder gets 2-3cc 2 hours out but that's what works for him |
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| I've been advised for my mare by my vet 2-4 hours out. She pees within 10 min of giving it but I find interesting what someone else said about Lasix reaching its peak at 4 hours. That's something to think about because now that I'm thinking about it when I've given 2 hours out she has bled thru twice even though she urinated. Interesting! I do recommend following vet orders and listening to the other owners. Good luck! |
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boon
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| Thank you. My worry is getting the dosage enough time to work. Since events can very on how fast they go it's almost a guessing game.
I ran him last night for the first time on the lasix. Event went faster then planned and ran right at about 2 hours from giving it. He came out of run coughing and coughed untill i cooled him off but he never bled.
I am new to this whole bleeder world and now wondering if I made a mistake buying one. My friend convinced me it is nothing to worry about and easy but I don't want this to happen every run. |
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Location: Georgia | Bleeding is something to worry about.. although its very common in running horses you have to get educated on it and manage it right. Any time a horse bleeds its producing scar tissue and is at risk for lung infection which is NOT good. You dont always see blood if its not a bad bleed... but any kind of bleeding is bad enough. You would have to scope immediatly after a run to see. Coughing is a pretty sure sign your horse bled. Anytime a horse bleeds they need a minimum of 30 rest to heal the lungs and 10 days SMZ's...You may want to bump up your lasix to 5 cc and give it more time to work. I also highly suggest you get your horse on Lung Aid. It helps to prevent infections and clears the airways. Its an immune builder that is simply amazing. I use it on all my horses just for the reason. You can find it at http://www.choiceofchamps.com/lung_aid.html if you choose to try it use coupon code cockk in promo section for 10% off and Free shipping.
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boon
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| Should I not run him this weekend? I was with him for over an hour after the run and no blood. He even grazed most of this time and nothing came out. Or should I just up the dose? |
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Location: Arkansas | I had good luck with the lung aid.
My horse runs on 3cc 3 hours out. I have a friend that runs 1/2 2 hrs out. Another horse gets 5 1/2 4 hours out. It depends on the horse.
I would give uniprim for a week and try 4cc 3-4hrs out. |
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Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Wrap2win - 2014-07-30 11:26 PM Thank you. My worry is getting the dosage enough time to work. Since events can very on how fast they go it's almost a guessing game. I ran him last night for the first time on the lasix. Event went faster then planned and ran right at about 2 hours from giving it. He came out of run coughing and coughed untill i cooled him off but he never bled. I am new to this whole bleeder world and now wondering if I made a mistake buying one. My friend convinced me it is nothing to worry about and easy but I don't want this to happen every run.
I don't want to scare you.... but I would be seriously concerned about the coughing with his history. Most bleeders won't bleed out.
Can you have him scoped today?
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| Wrap2win - 2014-07-31 11:54 AM Should I not run him this weekend? I was with him for over an hour after the run and no blood. He even grazed most of this time and nothing came out. Or should I just up the dose?
They can bleed internally, you have to him scoped to know for sure. My gelding runs on 2 1/2 cc's 2 hours out given IM. I have him scoped a couple of times a year to be sure the lasix is working for him. He does not cough at all. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | MS2011 - 2014-07-31 11:25 AM
Wrap2win - 2014-07-30 11:26 PM Thank you. My worry is getting the dosage enough time to work. Since events can very on how fast they go it's almost a guessing game. I ran him last night for the first time on the lasix. Event went faster then planned and ran right at about 2 hours from giving it. He came out of run coughing and coughed untill i cooled him off but he never bled. I am new to this whole bleeder world and now wondering if I made a mistake buying one. My friend convinced me it is nothing to worry about and easy but I don't want this to happen every run.
I don't want to scare you.... but I would be seriously concerned about the coughing with his history. Most bleeders won't bleed out.
Can you have him scoped today?
Yeah...coughing after a run is usually a sign they bled. A lot of horses bleed and never have blood actually come out anywhere. I would try to get him scoped after a run and see what's going on.
Bleeding isn't a "big deal" but at the same time, it is. It's not something that can be ignored, but it's something that can be managed. It just sucks trying to figure out what actually manages it. |
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| I do 5cc lasix and 5cc kentucky red 4 hours out IV, My horse would bleed thru 6-7cc lasix alone
Good luck - each horse is an individual - I have also started air power 1-1.5 hr prior to my run and that made a difference as well
Mine is high maintenance - had to change feed to oats/beet pulp to try to rule out food allergies, I give him herbs based on a hair analysis and that has made a huge difference in how he feels and his attitude
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