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| Ok y'all she is a major work in progress. We both are. Believe it or not we have both come a long way. She is SOUND- FINALLY.
When we go slower she stays straighter longer on her own but when we pick up speed she goes back to her old habit (working on it). Does anyone know how to help her stickiness behind the barrels? I also was not as "look at the fence" and as "forward" as I wanted to be. I got a little flustered at the end of the first run. She used to buck behind the 2nd barrel as a young horse (4-5yo) now 10. I swear up & down she humps up sometimes.
#1 without any time in the arena. I warmed up like I was making a run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Mt15-68oM&list=UU9W9ej9RaTqyk0anfO...
#2 after going back slow and reiterating the shoulder and going by the barrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E0bnagr8-A&index=1&list=UU9W9ej9RaT...
Yes I want input, no I don't want to be flamed. Usually I would say let 'er rip but I have really been busting my hiney with this horse and we have come a long ways. My confidence is almost non existent as is so.... lol
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I didn't want to bump this back up on the forum so I'll add here. My apologies if I don't address everyone or everything I want to say. I have a bad memory. First, thank you to everybody who responded. All input is welcomed. I have watched these videos along with some others I have of her. I feel you guys are correct in that she is having some hind- end weakness of some sort. Either lameness or something. I had not noticed the tail before, she is a WITCH and always has been and will intentionally hit you with it while you are walking by at the house, but I do agree that most of the time it means a problem. I will be looking further into pain/ lameness/ weakness. I was also recommended by another person to switch her to the left. The reason I asked for SO much speed in these videos was to kind of free her up and get her moving. I can rate her very easily and have in the past but it was recommended to me that I take her somewhere we could goof up if need be and just push her and see what she does. When I made a run on her last week I rated her at all 3 and she ended up confused and choppy around the barrels. I feel there is a happy medium somewhere, I just need to find it. I tried very hard not to "jerk" and "pull" I feel like I did well. I did move her off and try to set her up (obviously not well @2) but I feel I was not rough on her face. I kicked like I did on the 2nd barrel to tell her "shut up & go on" if I get on her nerves in anyway she has a tendency to stop or slow down and fuss with me with her head and kind of sling her body around. That applies to EVERYTHING we do. Even just leading her to the barn or whatever at the house. If she gets upset with something I do her head goes up and she dances around and swishes her tail. I assume (I know) that someone was VERY mean to her in her younger years and I don't think this will ever go away. You can call me mean for it, fine, but I just wanted the horse to GO ON. I also compared this 2nd barrel that was very sloppy to the 2nd barrel from a video a while back that was not half as sloppy and the reasoning is (other than the approach) I started kicking with 2 feet halfway into the turn instead of applying outside leg only. I started kicking with 2 feet to say go on but I guess I should have just applied the outside foot to keep her turning, then 2 feet to tell her go on. If I missed anyone I'm sorry, Thank you again for everyone's time & effort. I will be having the horse checked out again to see if she's worth keeping sound for me to run.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-09-02 10:11 PM Ok y'all she is a major work in progress. We both are. Believe it or not we have both come a long way. She is SOUND- FINALLY. When we go slower she stays straighter longer on her own but when we pick up speed she goes back to her old habit (working on it ). Does anyone know how to help her stickiness behind the barrels? I also was not as "look at the fence" and as "forward" as I wanted to be. I got a little flustered at the end of the first run. She used to buck behind the 2nd barrel as a young horse (4-5yo ) now 10. I swear up & down she humps up sometimes. #1 without any time in the arena. I warmed up like I was making a run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Mt15-68oM&list=UU9W9ej9RaTqyk0... #2 after going back slow and reiterating the shoulder and going by the barrel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E0bnagr8-A&index=1&list=UU9... Yes I want input, no I don't want to be flamed. Usually I would say let 'er rip but I have really been busting my hiney with this horse and we have come a long ways. My confidence is almost non existent as is so.... lol
So not to sound like a meanie here, but running a set of barrels is how you warm up your horse?
This may be a nice little horse, so I would warm up the right way and slow down on the barrels a bit, help her to rate.. | |
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Location: Montana | From what I could see (IMO) is she is not rating and getting on her butt to get around the turn, and she is getting strung out around the turn. | |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-02 10:23 PM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-09-02 10:11 PM Ok y'all she is a major work in progress. We both are. Believe it or not we have both come a long way. She is SOUND- FINALLY. When we go slower she stays straighter longer on her own but when we pick up speed she goes back to her old habit (working on it ). Does anyone know how to help her stickiness behind the barrels? I also was not as "look at the fence" and as "forward" as I wanted to be. I got a little flustered at the end of the first run. She used to buck behind the 2nd barrel as a young horse (4-5yo ) now 10. I swear up & down she humps up sometimes. #1 without any time in the arena. I warmed up like I was making a run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Mt15-68oM&list=UU9W9ej9RaTqyk0anfO... #2 after going back slow and reiterating the shoulder and going by the barrel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E0bnagr8-A&index=1&list=UU9W9ej9RaT... Yes I want input, no I don't want to be flamed. Usually I would say let 'er rip but I have really been busting my hiney with this horse and we have come a long ways. My confidence is almost non existent as is so.... lol
This may be a nice little horse, so I would warm up the right way and slow down on the barrels a bit, help her to rate..
LOL sorry no, I meant I warmed her up like I was at a jackpot. I didn't enter the arena before making the run. I warmed up in the warm up area. Sorry I'll have to fix that. I'm glad you mentioned the rate thing. I specifically did not ask her for any rate tonight to see what would happen. You think I should back off on speed on the pattern? I ask because she's 10... not really a newby but hasn't been properly seasoned either. | |
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| Lucy's Mom - 2014-09-02 10:25 PM
From what I could see (IMO) is she is not rating and getting on her butt to get around the turn, and she is getting strung out around the turn.
all 3 or just the 2nd?
feeling wise if I get her by the 1st it feels round and proper (she is not really good at in & out style) and if I set her up the right way for the others (like the 3rd in 2nd vid) it again feels proper and round. The 2nd is a wreck though.... | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-09-02 10:29 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-02 10:23 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2014-09-02 10:11 PM Ok y'all she is a major work in progress. We both are. Believe it or not we have both come a long way. She is SOUND- FINALLY. When we go slower she stays straighter longer on her own but when we pick up speed she goes back to her old habit (working on it ). Does anyone know how to help her stickiness behind the barrels? I also was not as "look at the fence" and as "forward" as I wanted to be. I got a little flustered at the end of the first run. She used to buck behind the 2nd barrel as a young horse (4-5yo ) now 10. I swear up & down she humps up sometimes. #1 without any time in the arena. I warmed up like I was making a run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Mt15-68oM&list=UU9W9ej9RaTqyk0... #2 after going back slow and reiterating the shoulder and going by the barrel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E0bnagr8-A&index=1&list=UU9... Yes I want input, no I don't want to be flamed. Usually I would say let 'er rip but I have really been busting my hiney with this horse and we have come a long ways. My confidence is almost non existent as is so.... lol
This may be a nice little horse, so I would warm up the right way and slow down on the barrels a bit, help her to rate.. LOL sorry no, I meant I warmed her up like I was at a jackpot. I didn't enter the arena before making the run. I warmed up in the warm up area. Sorry I'll have to fix that. I'm glad you mentioned the rate thing. I specifically did not ask her for any rate tonight to see what would happen. You think I should back off on speed on the pattern? I ask because she's 10... not really a newby but hasn't been properly seasoned either. 
Edit to add here: I also like to stop them at the rate point and back a few feet so that they get their butts up under themself'. Even at a trot are lope I will stop and back at the rate point..I dont stop and back a whole lot but I like adding this in at times.
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First barrel, the approach, I might give her a little more room (lined up a little closer to third) the pocket I say is too big, looks to be 10 feet, as already said this horse has no rate and is not driving with her hind end at all. She is also not finishing the turn which then doesn't set her up for second
If this was my horse, I would reinforce the rate, get to my pocket get her to shorten her stride, this may mean I stop her at the rate point get her shape and have her driving on her hind end, I would circle the barrel a few times till she feels like she should.
When I look at second, I don't see any rate, you try and get shape, but I would say too late, also I am not a fan of kicking her guts like you are, that is just mean.
When I go to second I would pick a point a spot 5 feet from the barrel to drive to, then I would stop the mare to reinforce rate get the shape and circle the barrel a few time till she is using herself properly.
I would do the same thing on third.
Personally I would take her back to basics start at a walk, and gradually increase speed only when she is doing things properly.
I also don't like the tail wringing, and I know this horse has issues, but her hocks may be too far shot for the previcoxx to work, this may be the reason she is not using her hind end.
I would suggest taking her back to the vet get a thorough lameness exam and discuss with the vet what the prognosis is, and the expected costs to keep her running properly.
It may not be financially feasible to keep running this one, it may be smarter to start with a broke horse that you can train for barrels without any baggage.
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Location: Florida.. | Not to sound harsh but looks like your being to aggressive with her without truly riding her off your seat . she looks to be giving it her all yet is being kicked.. and yanked around the 2nd and third.. slow down, get control of her body and your seat and keep her between your legs ... not by kicking ..going fast is fun.. but ... sorry...she appears a but frazzled.. she slipped on 3rd? i think.. due to being driven to hard into it.. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | What I see from most of your videos is that you are not good about getting your own body in position. Therefore, you are unable to position (rate) your horse. Is there anyone in your area that puts on clinics? (barrrels or horsemanship) and YES......slow her back down until she can complete a pattern correctly at a SLOW speed. Horses will pick up speed, naturally, as they progress. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | What happens when you take her to the left first?
She is in the wrong lead leaving 2nd and 3rd.. maybe that lead is more comfortable for her? 1st seems to be the best barrel. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-09-02 9:46 PM What I see on both runs First barrel, the approach, I might give her a little more room (lined up a little closer to third) the pocket I say is too big, looks to be 10 feet, as already said this horse has no rate and is not driving with her hind end at all. She is also not finishing the turn which then doesn't set her up for second If this was my horse, I would reinforce the rate, get to my pocket get her to shorten her stride, this may mean I stop her at the rate point get her shape and have her driving on her hind end, I would circle the barrel a few times till she feels like she should. When I look at second, I don't see any rate, you try and get shape, but I would say too late, also I am not a fan of kicking her guts like you are, that is just mean. When I go to second I would pick a point a spot 5 feet from the barrel to drive to, then I would stop the mare to reinforce rate get the shape and circle the barrel a few time till she is using herself properly. I would do the same thing on third. Personally I would take her back to basics start at a walk, and gradually increase speed only when she is doing things properly. I also don't like the tail wringing, and I know this horse has issues, but her hocks may be too far shot for the previcoxx to work, this may be the reason she is not using her hind end. I would suggest taking her back to the vet get a thorough lameness exam and discuss with the vet what the prognosis is, and the expected costs to keep her running properly. It may not be financially feasible to keep running this one, it may be smarter to start with a broke horse that you can train for barrels without any baggage.
I have to agree with Cheryl with the tail wringing and her slinging her butt on the barrels not using her hind end, you may want to look at possibility of soreness there. I know you probably don't want to hear "she is sore" but I am a veterinarian and the tail swishers, 98% of the time it is from pain.
If you have ruled that out, for your 2nd and 3rd barrel - to help her really get using her hind end, I run straight by the barrel about 4ft and draw them into the ground (make sure you have a good stopper before you do this drill - I want them almost sliding when you pick up on the reins so you are not jerking on their face - I don't like to get in their face anywhere near a barrel). Back up to the barrel, using your outside leg to move the inside hip in. Stop and reward. Then continue around the barrel. At speed, this gets them not thinking about stopping, but about getting their hineys down at the barrel. | |
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Location: London Ontario | I also agree with being sore, I cant quite tell but she seems to be disengaged behind around some of her barrels. I also notice you came in on the wrong lead in the first video before she switched it. To me, I want EVERYTHING correct when I am schooling.... | |
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Location: The edge of no where | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-09-02 10:32 PM Lucy's Mom - 2014-09-02 10:25 PM From what I could see (IMO) is she is not rating and getting on her butt to get around the turn, and she is getting strung out around the turn. all 3 or just the 2nd? feeling wise if I get her by the 1st it feels round and proper (she is not really good at in & out style ) and if I set her up the right way for the others (like the 3rd in 2nd vid ) it again feels proper and round. The 2nd is a wreck though....
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| MS2011 - 2014-09-03 5:25 PM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-09-02 10:32 PM Lucy's Mom - 2014-09-02 10:25 PM From what I could see (IMO) is she is not rating and getting on her butt to get around the turn, and she is getting strung out around the turn. all 3 or just the 2nd? feeling wise if I get her by the 1st it feels round and proper (she is not really good at in & out style ) and if I set her up the right way for the others (like the 3rd in 2nd vid ) it again feels proper and round. The 2nd is a wreck though.... Get your eyes up and focus. When she's floundering in the turn, it appears that you're looking straight down. Your eyes control your direction, I don't see it as much on the others. On the 2nd, SIT down, get your shoulders back... inside hand needs to be up her neck (close to her neck )...and look where you're driving. I know you're working really hard on it. Quiet your body down. Sitting on your butt and kicking the snot out of one will never get as much out of one as driving with your whole body. You CAN do this!!! Just keep chipping away. Look up, quiet hands, quiet legs....drive!
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