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Location: Sperry, OK | Dreamingofcans - 2014-09-30 3:48 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-09-30 12:30 PM Don't forget to look "other" places. Could be she has sore facets in her neck, sore SI joints, whirl bones, if she's ever been a puller backer.. she may be sore in the Atlanto-occipital joint at her poll (between the Atlas and Axis)... Don't just look for typical hind-end lameness. After I initially had her hocks done, I had a chiropracter out and he went over everything - she was incredible sore all over. After all that was done is when I noticed she still felt off loping to the right. Went back to the vet and her right front pastern was sore. She gets stretched out, cold hosed after workouts, she's never in the stall except to eat. I can take her to another lameness vet for another opinion or take her to Kathy Brown for whirlbones and stuff . . . ??
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Location: USA | What if they can't find anything and she's just being a terd? Do they ever get over the memory of being sore? | |
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Location: At A Barrel Race! | It sounds exactly like my barrel gelding. He is not lame or sore, nothing. Perfectly fine. Had so many vets check him and get chrio, teeth, and feet work done, all pretty much for nothing.
He did the same thing as your horse, he would trot and do a nice slow lope fine to the barrel, sit and turn it nicely. But once you added speed, he would come flying in (He is a VERY powerful horse) and just blow past our first barrel.
I have come to the realization, I cannot push him. I had to let him get comfortable working and running around the barrels at his own pace. Yeah, probably took him longer to get up and going, but now we are frequently running 1D times (130+ people), and I only kick coming home because as soon as I start kicking and asking for more speed throughout the pattern, he blows barrels.
This might not be whats happening in your case... it just sounds fimilar as to what went on with my horse. Wish you the best of luck on finding out what the root of the problem is.  | |
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Location: USA | Rodeo_Queen_21 - 2014-09-30 6:01 PM
It sounds exactly like my barrel gelding. He is not lame or sore, nothing. Perfectly fine. Had so many vets check him and get chrio, teeth, and feet work done, all pretty much for nothing.
He did the same thing as your horse, he would trot and do a nice slow lope fine to the barrel, sit and turn it nicely. But once you added speed, he would come flying in (He is a VERY powerful horse) and just blow past our first barrel.
I have come to the realization, I cannot push him. I had to let him get comfortable working and running around the barrels at his own pace. Yeah, probably took him longer to get up and going, but now we are frequently running 1D times (130+ people), and I only kick coming home because as soon as I start kicking and asking for more speed throughout the pattern, he blows barrels.
This might not be whats happening in your case... it just sounds fimilar as to what went on with my horse. Wish you the best of luck on finding out what the root of the problem is.
Yeah she wants to haul butt in their like a freight train and will just blow right passed it. How long did it take for your guy to finally get comfortable? I'm having to hold her back bc she wants to just bolt in there. | |
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| Dreamingofcans - 2014-09-30 5:14 PM
What if they can't find anything and she's just being a terd? Do they ever get over the memory of being sore?
There is one schizophrenia drug that I have seen used, it is administered every 3 months intramuscular and the theory behind the drug is it blocks the bad memories and flashbacks from occurring.
I seen the drug used on a horse who had horrible gate issues due to horrible hocks, and the previous owner would whip the horse to wake it up before the run then continue to whip it through the entire run.
The people bought the horse for a young rider, had the hocks surgically fused via laser, gave one dose of the drug, by week 2-3 the horse was no longer being lead into the arena, by the end of the third month the horse would walk in no issues. This horse only had one injection as this is all he needed. | |
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Location: At A Barrel Race! | Dreamingofcans - 2014-09-30 8:02 PM Rodeo_Queen_21 - 2014-09-30 6:01 PM It sounds exactly like my barrel gelding. He is not lame or sore, nothing. Perfectly fine. Had so many vets check him and get chrio, teeth, and feet work done, all pretty much for nothing.
He did the same thing as your horse, he would trot and do a nice slow lope fine to the barrel, sit and turn it nicely. But once you added speed, he would come flying in (He is a VERY powerful horse) and just blow past our first barrel.
I have come to the realization, I cannot push him. I had to let him get comfortable working and running around the barrels at his own pace. Yeah, probably took him longer to get up and going, but now we are frequently running 1D times (130+ people), and I only kick coming home because as soon as I start kicking and asking for more speed throughout the pattern, he blows barrels.
This might not be whats happening in your case... it just sounds fimilar as to what went on with my horse. Wish you the best of luck on finding out what the root of the problem is. Yeah she wants to haul butt in their like a freight train and will just blow right passed it. How long did it take for your guy to finally get comfortable? I'm having to hold her back bc she wants to just bolt in there.
That is exactly what my gelding did, haha. It actually took a couple months (to get him to 1D times) of me just not kicking at all and pushing him forward with my body weight. (Like leaning up and forward inbetween barrels) I wouldn't kick to ask for speed, I just took whatever he gave me for speed. Better than getting a no time with a broken pattern right?
He caught on to the hang of things quickly, in just a few weeks I noticed a difference in his turns. (He felt like he was getting down and working better for me) When I was doing slow work, I would work at slowing down at the barrels though. Like for example if he was slow loping to the barrel, I would bring him to a trot around the barrel to emphasis rate, especially since I was letting him choose his speed between barrels.
All in all, it took me about 2 or 3 weeks to get him to where he was running to the barrel and we were actually gaining speed each time with the pattern.
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Location: Oklahoma | My gelding was giving me trouble in his turns. Slow worked perfectly (walk/trot), but start loping and he got sloppy regardless of what I did. Went to a vet with a Lameness locator and found an inflamed suspensory. It wasn't found at first with the ultrasound, but after blocking it and then shaving the leg it was found. Go to a vet who will dig deep for you! | |
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Location: USA | Rodeo_Queen_21 - 2014-09-30 10:45 PM Dreamingofcans - 2014-09-30 8:02 PM Rodeo_Queen_21 - 2014-09-30 6:01 PM It sounds exactly like my barrel gelding. He is not lame or sore, nothing. Perfectly fine. Had so many vets check him and get chrio, teeth, and feet work done, all pretty much for nothing.
He did the same thing as your horse, he would trot and do a nice slow lope fine to the barrel, sit and turn it nicely. But once you added speed, he would come flying in (He is a VERY powerful horse) and just blow past our first barrel.
I have come to the realization, I cannot push him. I had to let him get comfortable working and running around the barrels at his own pace. Yeah, probably took him longer to get up and going, but now we are frequently running 1D times (130+ people), and I only kick coming home because as soon as I start kicking and asking for more speed throughout the pattern, he blows barrels.
This might not be whats happening in your case... it just sounds fimilar as to what went on with my horse. Wish you the best of luck on finding out what the root of the problem is. Yeah she wants to haul butt in their like a freight train and will just blow right passed it. How long did it take for your guy to finally get comfortable? I'm having to hold her back bc she wants to just bolt in there.
He caught on to the hang of things quickly, in just a few weeks I noticed a difference in his turns. (He felt like he was getting down and working better for me) When I was doing slow work, I would work at slowing down at the barrels though. Like for example if he was slow loping to the barrel, I would bring him to a trot around the barrel to emphasis rate, especially since I was letting him choose his speed between barrels.
All in all, it took me about 2 or 3 weeks to get him to where he was running to the barrel and we were actually gaining speed each time with the pattern.
Hope this helps somewhat! Good Luck!
I've been doing that for about 7-8 weeks and haven't really seen any improvement. I noticed while going slow if I stay 2 handed she does better, but if I drop my outside rein she'll be more inclined to blow passed it. She gets sooo amped up at barrel races and all she wants to do is run. Last weekend was actually the first time I got her to walk into the alley - she usually starts running in place and does that little half rear thing a billion times, so I guess that was an improvement. I just want to see MORE improvement. I feel like we've gone nowhere fast. Since she gets sooo amped up and loses her mind, do you think giving her a little chill out juice would help? Maybe I should stop doing exhibitions and just do the open, but lope her to the first and then let her cruise at her own pace to the other 2?
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Location: Great Places Great Faces | I'm sorry if someone already said this, but my mare would fly to the first and then flip me the bird.. found she was a bad bleeder, never showed one sign. Now with lasix a new horse. No issues at all. | |
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Location: At A Barrel Race! | I've been doing that for about 7-8 weeks and haven't really seen any improvement. I noticed while going slow if I stay 2 handed she does better, but if I drop my outside rein she'll be more inclined to blow passed it. She gets sooo amped up at barrel races and all she wants to do is run. Last weekend was actually the first time I got her to walk into the alley - she usually starts running in place and does that little half rear thing a billion times, so I guess that was an improvement. I just want to see MORE improvement. I feel like we've gone nowhere fast. Since she gets sooo amped up and loses her mind, do you think giving her a little chill out juice would help? Maybe I should stop doing exhibitions and just do the open, but lope her to the first and then let her cruise at her own pace to the other 2?
I know what you mean! I would deffinatly try not doing an exhibition, that might just get make her ancipate the next time you take her out, and end up not listening to you throught the run. I have to stay two hands with my gelding all the way around the pattern as well.
Walking in the ally is a big improvement! Mine would aslo do the little prance with little hop/rears to going in the ally. I would deffinatly try just loping her, maybe even trying to trot her to the first barrel during a race (I know how hard it can be to try and make them trot in when they want to fly in.. lol.  ), and let her do her own pace through the rest of the pattern and see how that affects things.
Let me know how she continues to do, I hope you can get this problem fixed and start kicking butt soon! | |
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Location: USA | Spiked-Kat - 2014-10-01 6:53 PM I'm sorry if someone already said this, but my mare would fly to the first and then flip me the bird.. found she was a bad bleeder, never showed one sign. Now with lasix a new horse. No issues at all.
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OK, maybe no more expos and just stay two handed through the first while sloooooow loping to it, then let her cruise her own pace. I may have to give her a little chill out something-something before too, just enough so she can focus. She's like an ADD ferret on acid at a barrel race. They're sooo frustrating sometimes! People are telling me to get rid of her, but some thing in the back of my mind keeps telling me to get her figured out and give her a little more time. I don't know if it's my stubborn streak doing that or what. I hate giving up, but I also don't want to keep wasting time and money. We will see. I'll give her a little bit longer to see if we can get going or not. Thanks for everyone's help, I really really appreciate it. Y'all are awesome =) | |
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Location: Great Places Great Faces | The vet can preform a test where they numb the throat and then flush the lungs, when they pull the fluid back out, if any of it is red or pink colored that means they have bleed. Scoping doesn't give a very good reading. | |
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Location: USA | Spiked-Kat - 2014-10-02 8:05 AM The vet can preform a test where they numb the throat and then flush the lungs, when they pull the fluid back out, if any of it is red or pink colored that means they have bleed. Scoping doesn't give a very good reading.
I'll have it checked out too. Thanks for letting me know! | |
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