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Location: Washington | Have a gelding who is ulcer prone, got it fixed and have been maintaning him all summer. This last couple days he has gotten signs again...and we are now way out of town at a race and oh boy is he pissy.
So my question...what can I do this weekend to make sure he is comfortable? I'm going in the AM to try and find a feed store with some kind of Ulcer buffer...but what to do if I can't find anything? I know he is going to be a complete nervous wreck when it comes time to run and want to avoid that (happened in the past but was prepared with on hand supplies).
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I have no advice for what to do now. You may have to totally change things up for him, get him a hauling buddy, keep feed in front of him all the time. Get him on a good ulcer supplement (I highly recommend GastroPLUS). I have a friend with one that freaks if he is hauled alone and he also has to have a divider in the trailer. I have a stock trailer and he slings himself back and forth the entire time. With a slant, he is happy as a clam. Just going to have to figure out what his glitch is and try and support it. |
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Location: Go Sooners!! | Give him ulcergard when you travel and go to races...it works for my horse. |
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Location: Valley City,ND | Since late at night, get some Maalox or Mylanta or generic at grocery store or WalMart or gas station. Give him about 120 ml via oral syringe, this will neutralize the acid, won't cure the problem, but will band aid it. Do this every 6 hours minimum til you can get PROVEN omeprazole product. Also, I like to add cherry yogurt, the cheap generic by the tub to their feed or by oral syringe to help the digestion. Why cherry? that's just the flavor of choice of my horses. sure Vanilla or plain will be fine to. JMHO and what has worked in a pinch. |
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| animal element- in the zone is wonderful - I give it when loading in trailer 20cc - 20cc when I arrive if im staying overnight and 15cc right before I saddle and the rest of the tube right before feeding at night- it keeps my boy eating- and he always goes off his food with the slightest change to anything even when using ulcer treatments- this stuff is all natural very good for them and has helped me a ton and cheap- and I usually order a case at a time so I always have it on hand- pm me if you want to order and I can get you a 10% discount code- ( also great for nervous hot type horses) |
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| I use the compounded version of omeprizole when i haul. My horse has always been hard to worm after giving him 6 weeks of omeprizole foe 6 weeks i stand next to him and he turns his head to me to,take like a treat. Really made a difference in his attitude compleatly change, it was on ace, very calm, stopped stall walking.
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Location: mi | I think usually TSC carried Ulcergaurd I would be looking for that. And using that. If not go with the Maylox idea. Good luck. |
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Location: Central Texas | Crooks - 2014-10-08 11:03 PM
Since late at night, get some Maalox or Mylanta or generic at grocery store or WalMart or gas station. Give him about 120 ml via oral syringe, this will neutralize the acid, won't cure the problem, but will band aid it. Do this every 6 hours minimum til you can get PROVEN omeprazole product. Also, I like to add cherry yogurt, the cheap generic by the tub to their feed or by oral syringe to help the digestion. Why cherry? that's just the flavor of choice of my horses. sure Vanilla or plain will be fine to. JMHO and what has worked in a pinch.
I have done something similiar to this when in a pinch. It worked for both of mine until I could get back home and start a round of Omeprazole. |
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| ampratt - 2014-10-09 7:36 AM
Crooks - 2014-10-08 11:03 PM
Since late at night, get some Maalox or Mylanta or generic at grocery store or WalMart or gas station. Give him about 120 ml via oral syringe, this will neutralize the acid, won't cure the problem, but will band aid it. Do this every 6 hours minimum til you can get PROVEN omeprazole product. Also, I like to add cherry yogurt, the cheap generic by the tub to their feed or by oral syringe to help the digestion. Why cherry? that's just the flavor of choice of my horses. sure Vanilla or plain will be fine to. JMHO and what has worked in a pinch.
I have done something similiar to this when in a pinch. It worked for both of mine until I could get back home and start a round of Omeprazole.
This!!! This really really works in a pinch. |
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| ajs2002 - 2014-10-09 8:17 AM
I think usually TSC carried Ulcergaurd I would be looking for that. And using that. If not go with the Maylox idea. Good luck.
Most of the feed stores that have a decent horse section around here carry it, that would be my plan also. |
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Location: IL | Find a drug store like walgreens and pick up randitine 150 mg tablets. Human omperazole will not work as our stomachs and the horse's stomach digest things a different times. Give him 22 tablets and give them to him 3x a day. The randitine is cheap I think a bottle of 220 pills costs $10. Keep hay in front of him at all times. I think they get the randitine every 8 hours. Good luck! I always give a supplement to my gelding. He's known for ulcers. I give MVP gastroplex and I love the stuff! |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I would suggest just keeping him constantly on hay until you can get some stuff. I would suggest GastroPLUS and then a Muscle Mass with Ulcer prevent |
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| Go to any local supermarket or drug store, and buy Ranitidine, the over the counter pills come in sizes up to 150 milligrams.
The dose is 3 mg/kg, every 8 hours. Ranitidine starts working immediately.
I give my horse 3000 mg twice daily, and it makes her feel better within 12 hours.
You'll have to buy a lot of pills, because that's 20 of the 150 mg tablets per dose, but, gotta do what ya gotta do!
ETA: UlcerGard paste takes up to 24 hours to start working; that's why its important to start using it as a preventative a few days before you haul anywhere. I would use this as a preventative in the future so you don't find yourself in this situation again while on the road.
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| merdth6 - 2014-10-09 9:50 AM ... Human omperazole will not work as our stomachs and the horse's stomach digest things a different times.
Human omeprazole pills theoretically would work, if you could get the horse to swallow them whole, which is highly unlikely, and the dose you would need to give would cost more than a tube of UlcerGard.
The reason you cannot crush up human pills and use them has nothing to do with a human stomach versus a horse stomach. In order for omeprazole to be effective, it must pass through the stomach without being degraded by the pH of the stomach acid. Omeprazole is absorbed in the small intestine (even though it does it's work in the stomach - the shutting down of the PPIs). The human tablets are coated with an enteric coating, a timed-release coating or sometimes they will even be capsules, that ensures it doesn't start breaking down in the stomach, but in the small intestine instead. That reasoning is the same for horses as it is humans. If you crush the pills, they are essentially rendered ineffective because of the acid in the stomach.
So, unless you can get your horse to swallow whole pills, there is no point is trying them.
UlcerGard and GastroGard work because the paste includes a buffer, which "protects" the omeprazole in a similar manner. |
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Location: IL | SuckerForHorses - 2014-10-09 11:45 AM merdth6 - 2014-10-09 9:50 AM ... Human omperazole will not work as our stomachs and the horse's stomach digest things a different times. Human omeprazole pills theoretically would work, if you could get the horse to swallow them whole, which is highly unlikely, and the dose you would need to give would cost more than a tube of UlcerGard.
The reason you cannot crush up human pills and use them has nothing to do with a human stomach versus a horse stomach. In order for omeprazole to be effective, it must pass through the stomach without being degraded by the pH of the stomach acid. Omeprazole is absorbed in the small intestine (even though it does it's work in the stomach - the shutting down of the PPIs ). The human tablets are coated with an enteric coating, a timed-release coating or sometimes they will even be capsules, that ensures it doesn't start breaking down in the stomach, but in the small intestine instead. That reasoning is the same for horses as it is humans. If you crush the pills, they are essentially rendered ineffective because of the acid in the stomach.
So, unless you can get your horse to swallow whole pills, there is no point is trying them.
UlcerGard and GastroGard work because the paste includes a buffer, which "protects" the omeprazole in a similar manner.
I don't crush my pills up for my horses. They eat them in their feed whole. Now I don't know how much they will be crushed by the horse chewing?? My vet said not to use the omperazole (human form) because of the difference in how we and the horse digest food. |
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| merdth6 - 2014-10-09 3:16 PM
SuckerForHorses - 2014-10-09 11:45 AM merdth6 - 2014-10-09 9:50 AM ... Human omperazole will not work as our stomachs and the horse's stomach digest things a different times. Human omeprazole pills theoretically would work, if you could get the horse to swallow them whole, which is highly unlikely, and the dose you would need to give would cost more than a tube of UlcerGard.
The reason you cannot crush up human pills and use them has nothing to do with a human stomach versus a horse stomach. In order for omeprazole to be effective, it must pass through the stomach without being degraded by the pH of the stomach acid. Omeprazole is absorbed in the small intestine (even though it does it's work in the stomach - the shutting down of the PPIs ). The human tablets are coated with an enteric coating, a timed-release coating or sometimes they will even be capsules, that ensures it doesn't start breaking down in the stomach, but in the small intestine instead. That reasoning is the same for horses as it is humans. If you crush the pills, they are essentially rendered ineffective because of the acid in the stomach.
So, unless you can get your horse to swallow whole pills, there is no point is trying them.
UlcerGard and GastroGard work because the paste includes a buffer, which "protects" the omeprazole in a similar manner.
Well unless they don't have teeth, I'm assuming a good bit of them get chewed up. |
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Location: IL | SuckerForHorses - 2014-10-09 2:17 PM merdth6 - 2014-10-09 3:16 PM SuckerForHorses - 2014-10-09 11:45 AM merdth6 - 2014-10-09 9:50 AM ... Human omperazole will not work as our stomachs and the horse's stomach digest things a different times. Human omeprazole pills theoretically would work, if you could get the horse to swallow them whole, which is highly unlikely, and the dose you would need to give would cost more than a tube of UlcerGard.
The reason you cannot crush up human pills and use them has nothing to do with a human stomach versus a horse stomach. In order for omeprazole to be effective, it must pass through the stomach without being degraded by the pH of the stomach acid. Omeprazole is absorbed in the small intestine (even though it does it's work in the stomach - the shutting down of the PPIs ). The human tablets are coated with an enteric coating, a timed-release coating or sometimes they will even be capsules, that ensures it doesn't start breaking down in the stomach, but in the small intestine instead. That reasoning is the same for horses as it is humans. If you crush the pills, they are essentially rendered ineffective because of the acid in the stomach.
So, unless you can get your horse to swallow whole pills, there is no point is trying them.
UlcerGard and GastroGard work because the paste includes a buffer, which "protects" the omeprazole in a similar manner. Well unless they don't have teeth, I'm assuming a good bit of them get chewed up.
Right so I guess it's a good thing I don't use them :) I wasn't trying to start who's right and who's wrong I was just trying to give helpful advice. |
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| I haven't read through all the posts but my favorite product to use is Formula 707 gastrial essectials (?) you will notice a change right away, and it does say feed twice a day, but I only grain once a day and put in 2 scoops and it has worked for me all summer this way...love the Formula 707 products. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | If you can't find anything at the local feed stores....you can also get prilosec OTC (which is omeprazole) and crush the pills and give it to him or ranatidine for people (which is zantac). Cider vinegar works wonders on buffering ulcer symptoms in a pinch and so does aloe vera juice. All of this can be bought at a local grocery store. The OTC zantac and prilosec are expensive ways to treat because you need so darn much of it. Remember the average horse generally weighs between 400-500 kg though. The recommended dose for people is 20 mg dialy, which is one pill. So figuring that the average adult male is 200 lbs roughly, that equates to 90 kg. So one pill will treat 90 kg. The average horse is is 800-1000 lbs, that is roughly 400-500 kg. And so the estimated dosage would be 6 pills which is 120 mg. I have been in a jam and bought a coffee grinder from walmart, a few boxes of prilosec and also a few jars of apple sauce. Ground the pills up and let my mare slop up the applesauce with the pill mixed in. I know it's not conventional, but if you're in a jam you tend to get a little desperate. It should work till you get home. I gave this to my mare twice a day since it is under the ulcergard dosage of 2.28g. I hope this helps. Good luck!!
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| Girls_Gotta_Jet - 2014-10-10 8:09 AM If you can't find anything at the local feed stores....you can also get prilosec OTC (which is omeprazole) and crush the pills and give it to him or ranatidine for people (which is zantac). Cider vinegar works wonders on buffering ulcer symptoms in a pinch and so does aloe vera juice. All of this can be bought at a local grocery store. The OTC zantac and prilosec are expensive ways to treat because you need so darn much of it. Remember the average horse generally weighs between 400-500 kg though. The recommended dose for people is 20 mg dialy, which is one pill. So figuring that the average adult male is 200 lbs roughly, that equates to 90 kg. So one pill will treat 90 kg. The average horse is is 800-1000 lbs, that is roughly 400-500 kg. And so the estimated dosage would be 6 pills which is 120 mg. I have been in a jam and bought a coffee grinder from walmart, a few boxes of prilosec and also a few jars of apple sauce. Ground the pills up and let my mare slop up the applesauce with the pill mixed in. I know it's not conventional, but if you're in a jam you tend to get a little desperate. It should work till you get home. I gave this to my mare twice a day since it is under the ulcergard dosage of 2.28g. I hope this helps. Good luck!!
NO, do not crush the human Prilosec pills. If this is your plan, just throw your money out the window of your vehicle on your drive to the store and then turn around and go home. I'm not going to repeat my previous post why this is useless, you can go back up and read it if you're interested.
I just read the rest of your post and you are so very wrong about the dosage. Human dose does not equal equivalent for horse dose.
First of all, the UlcerGard (AND GastroGard) tube is 2.28 grams of omeprazole. That's 2,280 milligrams - even if crushing Prilosec up actually worked, you're WAY UNDERDOSING by only giving 120 milligrams. If it were this effective, and cheap, don't you think everyone would treat their horse's ulcers this way? 
The ranitidine dose for a horse 3 mg/lb every 8 hours. So if you have a 1000 lb horse, that's 3000 mg of ranitidine, every 8 hours.
OP, with the amount of misinformation on this thread, I would suggest you contact your vet and see what they suggest. It may be safer, cheaper, and much more effective then following some of the advice you've received here.
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