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bscanchaser Reg. Feb 2005	Posted 2014-10-29 3:35 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
	total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby.
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CJE Reg. Mar 2005	Posted 2014-10-29 3:49 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Famous for Not Complaining Posts: 8848 Location: Broxton, Ga	quickdraw - 2014-10-28 3:25 PM Hats off to Mr. Allred for having the balls to do that. I was told just today by a race horse vet that the "amigos" have taken over that track and they are bringing clenbuterol across the border from Mexican pharmacies that is much stronger than what we have here. It apparently has a profound effect on their breathing better. It could be injectable which is illegal I think on the states and much stronger.
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ACEINTHEHOLE Reg. Apr 2005	Posted 2014-10-29 3:53 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Tough Patooty Posts: 2615 Location: Sperry, OK	bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 3:35 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby. I don't think that is really possible... if the date on the stallion certificate sent in by the stud owner doesn't match the foaling date of the mare listed on the stallion report, the AQHA will question and not award papers. There is no way a horse that is 2 years old can get new born papers. I have had AQHA come back to me and GRILL me about a foaling date that was 12 months, my mare carries longer than normal and I get quizzed every time I breed her. Now if the "amigos" are switching papers on horses, that is a different story all together.
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total performance Reg. Nov 2007	Posted 2014-10-29 3:55 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Namesless in BHW Posts: 10368 Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs	CJE - 2014-10-29 3:49 PM quickdraw - 2014-10-28 3:25 PM Hats off to Mr. Allred for having the balls to do that. I was told just today by a race horse vet that the "amigos" have taken over that track and they are bringing clenbuterol across the border from Mexican pharmacies that is much stronger than what we have here. It apparently has a profound effect on their breathing better. It could be injectable which is illegal I think on the states and much stronger. I believe you are referring to the powder that they mix with any kind of liquid. They say it is 100% pure. That stuff is lethal. Within 2 minutes, horse will begin sweating and bouncing off the walls of his stall. It is nasty stuff. And it takes them so long for them to come down off of that crap. Edited by total performance 2014-10-29 3:57 PM
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ACEINTHEHOLE Reg. Apr 2005	Posted 2014-10-29 3:57 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Tough Patooty Posts: 2615 Location: Sperry, OK	total performance - 2014-10-29 3:55 PM CJE - 2014-10-29 3:49 PM quickdraw - 2014-10-28 3:25 PM Hats off to Mr. Allred for having the balls to do that. I was told just today by a race horse vet that the "amigos" have taken over that track and they are bringing clenbuterol across the border from Mexican pharmacies that is much stronger than what we have here. It apparently has a profound effect on their breathing better. It could be injectable which is illegal I think on the states and much stronger. I believe you are referring to the powder that they mix with any kind of liquid. They say it is 100% pure. That stuff is lethal. Within 2 minutes, horse will begin sweating and bouncing off the walls of his stall. It is nasty stuff. And it takes them so long for them to come down off of that crap. Oh.. sounds like humans on meth (or cocaine)! LOL
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total performance Reg. Nov 2007	Posted 2014-10-29 3:58 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Namesless in BHW Posts: 10368 Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs	ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:53 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 3:35 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby. I don't think that is really possible... if the date on the stallion certificate sent in by the stud owner doesn't match the foaling date of the mare listed on the stallion report, the AQHA will question and not award papers. There is no way a horse that is 2 years old can get new born papers. I have had AQHA come back to me and GRILL me about a foaling date that was 12 months, my mare carries longer than normal and I get quizzed every time I breed her. Now if the "amigos" are switching papers on horses, that is a different story all together. I am in agreement here. There is no way that would even match up.
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total performance Reg. Nov 2007	Posted 2014-10-29 3:59 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Namesless in BHW Posts: 10368 Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs	ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:57 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:55 PM CJE - 2014-10-29 3:49 PM quickdraw - 2014-10-28 3:25 PM Hats off to Mr. Allred for having the balls to do that. I was told just today by a race horse vet that the "amigos" have taken over that track and they are bringing clenbuterol across the border from Mexican pharmacies that is much stronger than what we have here. It apparently has a profound effect on their breathing better. It could be injectable which is illegal I think on the states and much stronger. I believe you are referring to the powder that they mix with any kind of liquid. They say it is 100% pure. That stuff is lethal. Within 2 minutes, horse will begin sweating and bouncing off the walls of his stall. It is nasty stuff. And it takes them so long for them to come down off of that crap. Oh.. sounds like humans on meth (or cocaine)! LOL Trust me, I've seen it and it ain't pretty. And then when they leave the track, their hair coat is turned inside out, and they loose weight and looke like he!!
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ACEINTHEHOLE Reg. Apr 2005	Posted 2014-10-29 4:08 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Tough Patooty Posts: 2615 Location: Sperry, OK	total performance - 2014-10-29 3:59 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:57 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:55 PM CJE - 2014-10-29 3:49 PM quickdraw - 2014-10-28 3:25 PM Hats off to Mr. Allred for having the balls to do that. I was told just today by a race horse vet that the "amigos" have taken over that track and they are bringing clenbuterol across the border from Mexican pharmacies that is much stronger than what we have here. It apparently has a profound effect on their breathing better. It could be injectable which is illegal I think on the states and much stronger. I believe you are referring to the powder that they mix with any kind of liquid. They say it is 100% pure. That stuff is lethal. Within 2 minutes, horse will begin sweating and bouncing off the walls of his stall. It is nasty stuff. And it takes them so long for them to come down off of that crap. Oh.. sounds like humans on meth (or cocaine)! LOL Trust me, I've seen it and it ain't pretty. And then when they leave the track, their hair coat is turned inside out, and they loose weight and looke like he!! That is awful!
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total performance Reg. Nov 2007	Posted 2014-10-29 4:14 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Namesless in BHW Posts: 10368 Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs	ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 4:08 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:59 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:57 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:55 PM CJE - 2014-10-29 3:49 PM quickdraw - 2014-10-28 3:25 PM Hats off to Mr. Allred for having the balls to do that. I was told just today by a race horse vet that the "amigos" have taken over that track and they are bringing clenbuterol across the border from Mexican pharmacies that is much stronger than what we have here. It apparently has a profound effect on their breathing better. It could be injectable which is illegal I think on the states and much stronger. I believe you are referring to the powder that they mix with any kind of liquid. They say it is 100% pure. That stuff is lethal. Within 2 minutes, horse will begin sweating and bouncing off the walls of his stall. It is nasty stuff. And it takes them so long for them to come down off of that crap. Oh.. sounds like humans on meth (or cocaine)! LOL Trust me, I've seen it and it ain't pretty. And then when they leave the track, their hair coat is turned inside out, and they loose weight and looke like he!! That is awful! And god knows what it does to their insides, ie. liver, kidneys, heart.
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bscanchaser Reg. Feb 2005	Posted 2014-10-29 4:52 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
	total performance - 2014-10-29 3:58 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:53 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 3:35 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby. I don't think that is really possible... if the date on the stallion certificate sent in by the stud owner doesn't match the foaling date of the mare listed on the stallion report, the AQHA will question and not award papers. There is no way a horse that is 2 years old can get new born papers. I have had AQHA come back to me and GRILL me about a foaling date that was 12 months, my mare carries longer than normal and I get quizzed every time I breed her. Now if the "amigos" are switching papers on horses, that is a different story all together. I am in agreement here. There is no way that would even match up. Yep...except when they own the stallion and mares. It's really not that hard to do when you think about it; all you are required to put down on a breeding report is a date range for live cover, mare name and a foal date 3-4 weeks earlier the following year- except in this guy's case, the foal is already a weanling/yearling when they are saying they are breeding. These people are not required to prove anything else- No vet inspection on breeding, foaling, tattooing or racing; parentage matches because both parents are recorded and AQHA papers say exactly what they intend- an older horse that is passed off as a 2 year old for futurities. I can understand the skeptism because I also didn't believe it until they were bragging about having 3 foals born in August; trust me I'm not making this up to have a nice conversation. How you would feel paying the futurity entry fees for your true 2 year old to run against a couterfeit 2 year old? These guys make a lot of money running in these higher stakes races and this is an easy way for them to get an edge on qualifying horses.
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BMW Reg. Jan 2010	Posted 2014-10-29 5:16 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Expert Posts: 3147	bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 4:52 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:58 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:53 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 3:35 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby. I don't think that is really possible... if the date on the stallion certificate sent in by the stud owner doesn't match the foaling date of the mare listed on the stallion report, the AQHA will question and not award papers. There is no way a horse that is 2 years old can get new born papers. I have had AQHA come back to me and GRILL me about a foaling date that was 12 months, my mare carries longer than normal and I get quizzed every time I breed her. Now if the "amigos" are switching papers on horses, that is a different story all together. I am in agreement here. There is no way that would even match up. Yep...except when they own the stallion and mares. It's really not that hard to do when you think about it; all you are required to put down on a breeding report is a date range for live cover, mare name and a foal date 3-4 weeks earlier the following year- except in this guy's case, the foal is already a weanling/yearling when they are saying they are breeding. These people are not required to prove anything else- No vet inspection on breeding, foaling, tattooing or racing; parentage matches because both parents are recorded and AQHA papers say exactly what they intend- an older horse that is passed off as a 2 year old for futurities. I can understand the skeptism because I also didn't believe it until they were bragging about having 3 foals born in August; trust me I'm not making this up to have a nice conversation. How you would feel paying the futurity entry fees for your true 2 year old to run against a couterfeit 2 year old? These guys make a lot of money running in these higher stakes races and this is an easy way for them to get an edge on qualifying horses. When a horse is tattoed they also check the teeth to determine if the mouth age matches the age on the papers. A horse foaled mid to late summer is going to have a different set of teeth than the one foaled early in the year. I know of a horse that was foaled in September, but registered as being foaled the following January. When they first took him to be tattoed the tattoer refused as his mouth was older than his papers showed.
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bscanchaser Reg. Feb 2005	Posted 2014-10-29 5:28 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
	BMW - 2014-10-29 5:16 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 4:52 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:58 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:53 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 3:35 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby. I don't think that is really possible... if the date on the stallion certificate sent in by the stud owner doesn't match the foaling date of the mare listed on the stallion report, the AQHA will question and not award papers. There is no way a horse that is 2 years old can get new born papers. I have had AQHA come back to me and GRILL me about a foaling date that was 12 months, my mare carries longer than normal and I get quizzed every time I breed her. Now if the "amigos" are switching papers on horses, that is a different story all together. I am in agreement here. There is no way that would even match up. Yep...except when they own the stallion and mares. It's really not that hard to do when you think about it; all you are required to put down on a breeding report is a date range for live cover, mare name and a foal date 3-4 weeks earlier the following year- except in this guy's case, the foal is already a weanling/yearling when they are saying they are breeding. These people are not required to prove anything else- No vet inspection on breeding, foaling, tattooing or racing; parentage matches because both parents are recorded and AQHA papers say exactly what they intend- an older horse that is passed off as a 2 year old for futurities. I can understand the skeptism because I also didn't believe it until they were bragging about having 3 foals born in August; trust me I'm not making this up to have a nice conversation. How you would feel paying the futurity entry fees for your true 2 year old to run against a couterfeit 2 year old? These guys make a lot of money running in these higher stakes races and this is an easy way for them to get an edge on qualifying horses. When a horse is tattoed they also check the teeth to determine if the mouth age matches the age on the papers. A horse foaled mid to late summer is going to have a different set of teeth than the one foaled early in the year. I know of a horse that was foaled in September, but registered as being foaled the following January. When they first took him to be tattoed the tattoer refused as his mouth was older than his papers showed. Was the horse you know of tattooed in Mexico? Also, we had county fair races that ran last year without licenses and tattoos because the computer system crashed for licenses and the tattooer was at a different track.
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tebar Reg. Nov 2007	Posted 2014-10-29 7:14 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Extreme Veteran Posts: 488 Location: torrington, wy	New Mexico needs to do the same. It's about time some one stepped up.
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Joleen Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2014-10-29 8:09 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Mrs. Perks Alive Posts: 1162 Location: Madill Ok	If the tattoo people were educated about horse age/teeth they could easily identify a horse older than his age. I can be done. If you suspect perhaps aqha could get it checked out..
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Joleen Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2014-10-29 8:16 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
Mrs. Perks Alive Posts: 1162 Location: Madill Ok	bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 3:35 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby. foaling out that early would be possible if say they owned their own stallion, but if they are using outside commercial studs the breeder reports would have to show those late breedings.. I dont know, its very possible but probably not as much as you think its happening.. Now the december foaling and january birthdate, yes that happens for sure, sometimes by design sometimes its just nature foaling early.. I always laugh when I see pics of a january 1st foal... Now 3 yr old running as a 2 yr old, that could be easily detected by simply pulling up their lip. but I dont know if the identifier even looks at that..
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Douglas J Gordon Reg. Jun 2008	Posted 2014-10-29 8:51 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
BHW's Lance Armstrong Posts: 11134 Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint	total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? How many babie shave you seen at breeding farms and they are getting ready to breed at the end on January and first on February and the hair from the skowers has grown back already. that is how you can tell when a baby is born before Jan. 1. The hair doesn't grow back that fast.
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Douglas J Gordon Reg. Jun 2008	Posted 2014-10-29 8:53 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
BHW's Lance Armstrong Posts: 11134 Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint	ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:53 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 3:35 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby. I don't think that is really possible... if the date on the stallion certificate sent in by the stud owner doesn't match the foaling date of the mare listed on the stallion report, the AQHA will question and not award papers. There is no way a horse that is 2 years old can get new born papers. I have had AQHA come back to me and GRILL me about a foaling date that was 12 months, my mare carries longer than normal and I get quizzed every time I breed her. Now if the "amigos" are switching papers on horses, that is a different story all together. They can tell the age difference by the teeth. There is no way a 3 or 4 year old can run as a 2 Y O.
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Douglas J Gordon Reg. Jun 2008	Posted 2014-10-29 8:56 PM Subject: RE: LOS ALAMITOS DRUG SMACK DOWN
BHW's Lance Armstrong Posts: 11134 Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint	bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 4:52 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:58 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 3:53 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 3:35 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 3:00 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 2:33 PM total performance - 2014-10-29 1:35 PM bscanchaser - 2014-10-29 11:20 AM Agree 100%!! I just wish the AQHA and race tracks would start to crack down on the same people who are also falsifying birth dates on foals. The tracks have nothing to do with people falsifying birth dates. All they have to go by for age is the foal certificates. That is soley up to AQHA. And I'm not sure how they would even begin to manage doing that. Yes, I realize the problem starts with AQHA to deal with un-honest breeders/owners, however, our track vet seemed to think it would be plausible to start mouthing horses as part of the test barn if the rules were changed to support that. So are you saying a foal born in say December and not reported being born until January. Do you think they could actually tell from mouthing them? No, I'm saying that the "amigo's" are foaling out between June-October 2014 and not claiming that the foal was born until February of 2016. Essentially they are match racing as 2 and 3 year olds and then running as a 4 year old in Futurities against everyone else's true 2 years old's and 5 year olds in Derbies. Said vet seemed pretty confident that majority of vets should be able to tell the age difference between a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. BTW, no I'm not concerned about the person that foals in December and claims a January baby. I don't think that is really possible... if the date on the stallion certificate sent in by the stud owner doesn't match the foaling date of the mare listed on the stallion report, the AQHA will question and not award papers. There is no way a horse that is 2 years old can get new born papers. I have had AQHA come back to me and GRILL me about a foaling date that was 12 months, my mare carries longer than normal and I get quizzed every time I breed her. Now if the "amigos" are switching papers on horses, that is a different story all together. I am in agreement here. There is no way that would even match up. Yep...except when they own the stallion and mares. It's really not that hard to do when you think about it; all you are required to put down on a breeding report is a date range for live cover, mare name and a foal date 3-4 weeks earlier the following year- except in this guy's case, the foal is already a weanling/yearling when they are saying they are breeding. These people are not required to prove anything else- No vet inspection on breeding, foaling, tattooing or racing; parentage matches because both parents are recorded and AQHA papers say exactly what they intend- an older horse that is passed off as a 2 year old for futurities. I can understand the skeptism because I also didn't believe it until they were bragging about having 3 foals born in August; trust me I'm not making this up to have a nice conversation. How you would feel paying the futurity entry fees for your true 2 year old to run against a couterfeit 2 year old? These guys make a lot of money running in these higher stakes races and this is an easy way for them to get an edge on qualifying horses. I think it is quite possible that babies are born August- December. I have seen plenty of babies in January that were not born in January.
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