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| Two things:husband is interested in saddle right pad. Pros and cons welcome! Is there a best place to buy for best price? Rope horse has atrophy behind his right shoulder. We have been trying to decide how long it has been going on. When we first noticed it. He has had several saddles used on him. Trying to decide which one has caused the damage. How do we build up that one side? How do you get a saddle to fit until we get him built back? Any advice is appreciated.
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Location: NW. Florida | You can keep an eye out for a used one, or check on ebay. You can you to their website and buy a new one. |
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Location: Texas | I love my saddle right pad. My mare has little wither and is wide so a lot of the saddle pads would let my saddle shift. I bought one from a friend and want to buy another one. They are high but they last forever!
I know that you can call them and they will help you out. I think they are one of the better pads out there. |
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Location: Texas | I am a saddleright pad user and dealer. You would do nothing but use the pad. No shimming or other adjustments required. This pad will allow the muscles to regenate, shims and build ups prevent that. PM me if you need help with a pad.
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| Cowjazz - 2014-11-07 1:13 PM I am a saddleright pad user and dealer. You would do nothing but use the pad. No shimming or other adjustments required. This pad will allow the muscles to regenate, shims and build ups prevent that. PM me if you need help with a pad.
Im not debating or saying you arent right... There is SO MUCH information out there that you have to weed through it all and see what works best for you. With that said, Martin/Equibrand preach wider gullet shim shim give them room to fill out. How does that fall into place with the saddle right theory of shims and build ups prevent that growth?
Also, Do you have any suggestions for things we can do to help him build that side back up? Long trot? Circles? Straight lines? We are open ears! |
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Location: between here and there | How bad is the atrophy? If you take a pic from his butt looking down on the shoulders would help. I imagine you're still roping on him? I would check your saddles. I imagine too you are turning him off the same direction all the time? If so, you're working on an uphill battle. Just a thought.
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| I cant imagine that a saddle right pad is enough cushion for a rope horse. What end does he rope? Head or Heels? I may be wrong too, but my boys would not use one on their rope horses. I had to build up the top line of my mare. I was using a build up pad until I could build her shoulder muscles. I did a lot or riding with her breaking at the poll, walking trotting, lopeing. I cant believe how it built itself back up. Once again.. JMO
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| wimpyb - 2014-11-07 2:18 PM
How bad is the atrophy? If you take a pic from his butt looking down on the shoulders would help. I imagine you're still roping on him? I would check your saddles. I imagine too you are turning him off the same direction all the time? If so, you're working on an uphill battle. Just a thought.
It will be tomorrow before I can get pictures. Actually we are not still roping in him. The project horses are gettimg the attn until we can figure out what to do with him. We have checked saddles. Its not something that happens over night but he has been rode in several saddles. We dont know where the fault lies. There was one saddle that we discovered a loose or brok3n tree in and got rid of it. Wasnt worth fixing. We cant remember how much he was rode in that. My husband has two rope saddles now that he has used on him. Both seem to fit him well besides the side w atrophy. I run barrels on him. I have 2 barrel saddles. One he did mot tolerate instantly the first time riding it before we noticed the atrophy and so its never been back on him. The other seems to fit well. He mostly heels on him. As a team roping horse yes he goes left a lot but my husband ia not the typical get on lope 3 circles to the left and go. He enjoys a very broke horse. His horses go left and right. Prob right more then left when just riding. He is very broke in the poll and rides very collected. As a matter of fact when I ride him I try to get him to relax and not constantly be looking to please and waiting for the next cue. We are stumped. Until we fig out what saddle and pad combo that might be good for him ive suggested just four wheeler work outs w no saddle on just long trotting behind the four wheeler bc I dont know what else to do for him. Would love to swim him. Not sure there is one close enough that it would be a reasonable option. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | I would have him massaged and then gone over by a chiropracter. |
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| skye - 2014-11-07 4:29 PM I would have him massaged and then gone over by a chiropracter.
We have been to the chiro. Other then just rubbing on him myself, we have not taken him for a massage. Dern horses get better treatment then we do! :) |
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| shorty2004 - 2014-11-07 11:44 AM
Cowjazz - 2014-11-07 1:13 PM I am a saddleright pad user and dealer. You would do nothing but use the pad. No shimming or other adjustments required. This pad will allow the muscles to regenate, shims and build ups  prevent that. PM me if you need help with a pad.
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Im not debating or saying you arent right... There is SO MUCH information out there that you have to weed through it all and see what works best for you. With that said, Martin/Equibrand preach wider gullet shim shim give them room to fill out. How does that fall into place with the saddle right theory of shims and build ups prevent that growth?
Also, Do you have any suggestions for things we can do to help him build that side back up? Long trot? Circles? Straight lines? We are open ears!Â
I believe I don't remember seeing Sherry Cervi using shims on any of her saddles until she was endorsed by both Classic Equine and Martin Saddlery (yes, I know Equibrand owns both). I remember seeing her run Stingray at the NFR, in a Crown C, with a SaddleRight pad, and no shims.... |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Massage first. Massage brings blood flow into the muscles. That's what's needed. Heading horses massage like two different horses. Right side is totally different from the left. |
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Location: Texas | Saddleright pads were designed by a Chiropractor to inhance the proper function of the muscles in the back. When the large muscles are compromised by pressure they shut down and then they Atrophy. I liken the use of the shims to putting on an extra pair of socks to fix boots that don't fit. I truley believe that Martin came up with the "Shim" idea to promote a saddle that doesn't fit. After much research of saddle fit with many top saddle makers and Vets, they decline to believe in the "Grow into it" theory. It is nothing but a great "sales" tactic, think about it. You start with a 7 gullet then you can grow into a 7.5, 8,8.5, 9 and so on. Guess you will be looking at alot of saddle purchases. The standard for many years was the 6 3/4 gullet with Full Quarter Horse Bars. This fit a large amount of horses for many years. The most important part of the fit is the bar spread and the twist. This coming from the late Bret Hadlock from Hadlock Fox tree company that made "most of the trees in the saddles being manufactured. As far as the saddleright pads, they have been around for a very long time and haven't changed at all per say. They are as good if not better every year they are used. The next best pad I believe is the CSI pad of which I use to be a dealer for, but I have had less issues with the soundness of my horses backs since the change to saddleright. Saddleright also has the best resale value of any pad on the market and best warranty. We have roped with ours (heading and heeling) no problems. Saddleright suggests warm ups of small circles flexing the body and a relaxed walk both directions for a series of minutes to encourage the muscles to start working balanced again.
Lots of rope horses are more developed on the left side rather than the right due to the use of the muscles being used. Many ropers don't believe in loping rope horses to the right, they only want them to go left. This idea also keeps the body from being balanced. Body builders don't work one side twice as much as the other, why would you do that with your Equine Athlete?
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| Cowjazz - 2014-11-07 8:24 PM
Saddleright pads were designed by a Chiropractor to inhance the proper function of the muscles in the back. When the large muscles are compromised by pressure they shut down and then they Atrophy. I liken the use of the shims to putting on an extra pair of socks to fix boots that don't fit. I truley believe that Martin came up with the "Shim" idea to promote a saddle that doesn't fit. After much research of saddle fit with many top saddle makers and Vets, they decline to believe in the "Grow into it" theory. It is nothing but a great "sales" tactic, think about it. You start with a 7 gullet then you can grow into a 7.5, 8,8.5, 9 and so on. Guess you will be looking at alot of saddle purchases. The standard for many years was the 6 3/4 gullet with Full Quarter Horse Bars. This fit a large amount of horses for many years. The most important part of the fit is the bar spread and the twist. This coming from the late Bret Hadlock from Hadlock Fox tree company that made "most of the trees in the saddles being manufactured. As far as the saddleright pads, they have been around for a very long time and haven't changed at all per say. They are as good if not better every year they are used. The next best pad I believe is the CSI pad of which I use to be a dealer for, but I  have had less issues with the soundness of my horses backs since the change to saddleright. Saddleright also has the best resale value of any pad on the market and best warranty. We have roped with ours (heading and heeling) no problems. Saddleright suggests warm ups of small circles flexing the body and a relaxed walk both directions for a series of minutes to encourage the muscles to start working balanced again.
Lots of rope horses are more developed on the left side rather than the right due to the use of the muscles being used. Many ropers don't believe in loping rope horses to the right, they only want them to go left. This idea also keeps the body from being balanced. Body builders don't work one side twice as much as the other, why would you do that with your Equine Athlete?
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Muscles in the body don't "shut down". The pressure blocks blood flow, and the muscle tissue dies causing the atrophy.
The crown c, horses "grow" into the saddle when there is atrophy present, if there is no atrophy and the horse is full grown a horse will not grow into the saddle.
Most of the saddles out there are not fitting the wide flat backed horses well. Martin it is nice as you can customize a tree to a half inch to fit your horse. I have a 5 yr old who wears a size 11 gullet, this is the only saddle that doesn't cause atrophy, or pain. I rode her in a Lisa Lockhart, with a saddle right, she was in so much pain, even cinching her up she would flinch, with the crown c no flinching (not ulcers as she has been on maintaince for months after 60 days of treatment).
As for saddle right pads, I do have two, but in all honesty, my horses respond better to the CSI pads. I now own 5 (different lengths, and different thicknesses) When I did the CSI pressure test, I could apply approx twice as much pressure to the CSI as I could to the saddleright. I am not convinced there is enough support in the saddle right.
As some have said, for roping I would be concerned about the thickness and the pressure exerted on the front when dallied. Myself I would look into the CSI, as I know ropers who use them love them. The CSI may also bridge over the atrophy so you don't have to shim. |
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Location: on my horse | shorty2004 - 2014-11-07 2:37 PM
wimpyb - 2014-11-07 2:18 PM
How bad is the atrophy? If you take a pic from his butt looking down on the shoulders would help. I imagine you're still roping on him? I would check your saddles. I imagine too you are turning him off the same direction all the time? If so, you're working on an uphill battle. Just a thought.
It will be tomorrow before I can get pictures. Actually we are not still roping in him. The project horses are gettimg the attn until we can figure out what to do with him. We have checked saddles. Its not something that happens over night but he has been rode in several saddles. We dont know where the fault lies. There was one saddle that we discovered a loose or brok3n tree in and got rid of it. Wasnt worth fixing. We cant remember how much he was rode in that. My husband has two rope saddles now that he has used on him. Both seem to fit him well besides the side w atrophy. I run barrels on him. I have 2 barrel saddles. One he did mot tolerate instantly the first time riding it before we noticed the atrophy and so its never been back on him. The other seems to fit well. He mostly heels on him. As a team roping horse yes he goes left a lot but my husband ia not the typical get on lope 3 circles to the left and go. He enjoys a very broke horse. His horses go left and right. Prob right more then left when just riding. He is very broke in the poll and rides very collected. As a matter of fact when I ride him I try to get him to relax and not constantly be looking to please and waiting for the next cue. We are stumped. Until we fig out what saddle and pad combo that might be good for him ive suggested just four wheeler work outs w no saddle on just long trotting behind the four wheeler bc I dont know what else to do for him. Would love to swim him. Not sure there is one close enough that it would be a reasonable option.
Sounds like you're on the right track and doing exactly the right thing for your horse. I think any type of good pad will help your situation out and you're already looking for saddle issues so that's right on too. You know in your gut what needs to be done. four wheeler workouts would probably be pretty good for a little while to work out any lingering muscle stiffness etc. and then I would be testing out saddles again.
I either use wires that I shape to my horses back or one of those saddle tree looking frame things that you can adjust and then put the frame thing or the wires in my saddle. It's not exact but it gives me a really good ballpark for what part might not be fitting and whether it's too tight or just the wrong angle. I went through this with my little gelding coincidentally also my heel horse prospect (he also goes left and right and can complete a competitive reining pattern, broke horses for the win!) he ended up needing a lot more rock to the bars than I thought and I was able to get a general idea of this from just using the wires. (couldn't find the frame thingy) and go from there. |
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| Thanks for everyone's input. Passing on to the husband. He currently uses a csi pad. |
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