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| cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 10:13 AM
cn1705 - 2014-12-11 9:53 AM
She wouldn't be able to get away saying she didn't know the mare was bred because I had her sign the registration for the foal. I talked to AQHA and at the lady I talked to said DNA can't take place of paperwork. :(
Generally the breeding reports come from AQHA already have the names of both sure and dam inserted via computer.
A hand written breeding certificate could be the first warning sign something is not right or the paperwork is not in order
I'm the one that had them sign the bottom of the registration paper for the foal when I bought the bred mare; where is says breeders certificate section. |
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Location: ND | Maybe my brain is foggy but what exactly did they sign for you to register the foal if they have not filed a breeding report with AQHA? Every foal I've raised I've gotten a breeders certificate for the foal that lists the sire & dam which is done by AQHA after the breeding report is filed. |
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Location: KS | Do you still have whatever she signed? Can you take a pic of it and post it so we can see what it is? Just cover up her name or something. |
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| I see she had the lady sign a blank transfer for a foal that was unregistered. There is one line on a transfer sheet for this generally used for foals to be transferred when the application is sold with the foal.
Since you bought the mare still in foal that transfer would be invalid as you bought in utero and not live as the previous owner needed to write date of foaling.
The foal was sold to the op with no stud fee no breeders certificate. Honestly pay the 200 as I think you will be SOL as you bought knowing the paperwork was not in order. Or you should have done your research better. |
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Location: Middle of NoWhere! | I delt with this simular situation this spring. Thankfully I was dealing with an honest patient seller. It took me four months and me doing all the leg work to get the colt registered and mailing papers to sign to breeder and AQHA that four months. In the end it all worked out though! |
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| I just spoke with AQHA and they told me that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a breeding report and AQHA cannot force them to and they will not be suspended if they choose not to.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 1:18 PM
I just spoke with AQHA and they told me that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a breeding report and AQHA cannot force them to and they will not be suspended if they choose not to.
Thanks for calling. Its not a transfer she signed. Do u have an email? I can send it to u. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | All a stallion owner would have to say to AQHA is the stud fee was not paid.
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | If you are selling a bred mare, all you have to do is give the buyer a registration application with the stallion owner, and mare owner at time of BREEDING sections filled out and signed. A hand written one is perfectly acceptable. Is that what you got? (Though with no breeeding report filed, well you end up with this situation. )
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| RacingQH - 2014-12-11 6:56 PM
If you are selling a bred mare, all you have to do is give the buyer a registration application with the stallion owner, and mare owner at time of BREEDING sections filled out and signed. A hand written one is perfectly acceptable. Is that what you got? (Though with no breeeding report filed, well you end up with this situation. )
Yeah its the registration ap that is signed in the box "breeders certificate section," just no actual breeding report. |
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| Handwritten is acceptable but people need to do their homework and ensure if they receive a handwritten, a breeders report was submitted and accepted. |
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Location: KS | cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 1:18 PM
I just spoke with AQHA and they told me that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a breeding report and AQHA cannot force them to and they will not be suspended if they choose not to.
I don't know who you guys are talking to at AQHA or why my situation must have been different but I assure you what I have said is true. |
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| Grippen N Rippen - 2014-12-12 10:01 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 1:18 PM
I just spoke with AQHA and they told me that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a breeding report and AQHA cannot force them to and they will not be suspended if they choose not to.
I don't know who you guys are talking to at AQHA or why my situation must have been different but I assure you what I have said is true.
Yes it is correct that it is the stallion owners prerogative to file a report, however, NONE of the foals that were from breedings that year will be able to be registered. Now AQHA mails out breeder's certificates that are computer generated and the stallion owner does not have to do that any more. The stallion report and the breeder's certificate are a check and balance to keep everyone honest. Two examples are (1) my mare was bred to another person's stallion and about November she did not look bred. I had her checked and sure enough--no foal. I called the stallion owner and told her and she said she would leave my mare off the stallion report. This was OK with me. There was definitely no foal. (2) I bought a 3 in 1 package and in
Dec the previous owner mailed me the breeder's certificate that was sent out by AQHA with a bar code on it. I registered my foal online so I did not need the actual breeder's certificate since AQHA had sent it out. |
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| I bought an APHA filly 12 years ago with the necessary registration paperwork. The mare owners had signed it but not the stallion owner. I contacted the stallion owner (a local horse breeder/trainer) about signing the papers and was told that I had to pay the breeding fee ($1200). APHA told me that I could contact the mare owners or work it out with the stallion owner but they couldn't get involved.
Needless to say I have a great little paint mare that is Pinto registered as unknown pedigree. I refused to be extorted. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Registering a foal online does NOT mean you don't need a breeders cert. It means the stallion owner "released it" so the foal could be registered online without having to mail in the cert. If they hadn't done that, you would have to send it in. |
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| RacingQH - 2014-12-13 1:27 PM
Registering a foal online does NOT mean you don't need a breeders cert. It means the stallion owner "released it" so the foal could be registered online without having to mail in the cert. If they hadn't done that, you would have to send it in.
Since AQHA sent me the breeder's certificate, they already had it on record. I registered my foal online and had the papers before the breeder's certificate could have reached them in the mail. I think I said that in the original post perhaps you did not understand that the Breeder's certificate was issued by AQHA. I had the papers within 5 days. When I bought the mare in May the seller had all the necessary paperwork ready and told me that I would receive the breeder's certificate from AQHA. Sure enough, I got the breeder's certificate around Dec 1. I
I bred this same mare to a stallion and she lost her foal. I contacted the stallion owner in Nov and she left my mare off the stallion report. This was fine with me because the mare was NOT bred. I bred the mare in the spring and she is definitely bred. The stallion owner has been so easy to work with I have booked to her horse again.
Edited by streakysox 2014-12-13 2:44 PM
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