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| Is this statement true or false? Has anyone heard this statement about the glucans in oats to heal and repair of ulcers. Anyone have any insight into if oats actually help heal?
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| I don't know about the glucans but I did ask my vet about oats causing ulcers in horses and he pretty much laughed. He said no they don't, husbandry practices cause most ulcers. |
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| Winwillows? When you get a chance can you give your perspective on this please? |
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| The glucan in oat oil, yes. The oats themselves- no. They can actually cause ulcers due to the starch in the hindgut. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-01-13 4:58 PM
The glucan in oat oil, yes. The oats themselves- no. They can actually cause ulcers due to the starch in the hindgut.
There is no evidence to support this. Yes they are a starch but they have not actually proven that they cause any form of ulcers even in the hind gut.
I've seen oat oil on different company websites being cited as a key ingredient in ulcer meds but I've yet to find any evidence to really support this fact or the fact that the beta glucans present can help heal and repair. |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-01-13 5:57 PM
RoaniePonie11 - 2015-01-13 4:58 PM
The glucan in oat oil, yes. The oats themselves- no. They can actually cause ulcers due to the starch in the hindgut.
There is no evidence to support this. Yes they are a starch but they have not actually proven that they cause any form of ulcers even in the hind gut.
I've seen oat oil on different company websites being cited as a key ingredient in ulcer meds but I've yet to find any evidence to really support this fact or the fact that the beta glucans present can help heal and repair.
I do there is a lot or peer reviewed, scholarly papers published in reputable journals text books about fermentable grains/foods decreasing the ph in the gut. Cauding the gut to become acidic. This is the first step to founder.
There is also scholarly papers stating excess acid production can cause breakdown of the mucosal lining of the stomach and gi tract so it is logical to make the jump.
The most interesting research currently is feeding beer (malted barley) is effecting cushings, insulin resistant horses in a positive way, I believe it is keeping the ph of the hind gut regulated therefore not releasing exotoxins that cause inflammation of the lamania. |
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| Cheryl
I've been worried about ulcers since switching to oats and alfalfa but every vet I've talked to feels that commercial feeds run a greater risk of causing them than oats. I even asked Rood and Riddle and then felt retarded when their interns giggled at my question! Apparently thats a silly question to ask at such a place lol
I was reading about barley today. I really wish horse nutritionalists were more available without the bias support of a feed company! |
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Location: NC | astreakinchic - 2015-01-13 6:57 PM
RoaniePonie11 - 2015-01-13 4:58 PM
The glucan in oat oil, yes. The oats themselves- no. They can actually cause ulcers due to the starch in the hindgut.
There is no evidence to support this. Yes they are a starch but they have not actually proven that they cause any form of ulcers even in the hind gut.
I've seen oat oil on different company websites being cited as a key ingredient in ulcer meds but I've yet to find any evidence to really support this fact or the fact that the beta glucans present can help heal and repair.
So every single piece of research that states to stay away from starches to prevent ulcers is wrong?
If your basis is what a businesses website says, you aren't getting any accurate unbiased information.
Anything high in starch aggravates the stomach. It causes an over production of acid to break down, thus causing damage to the lining of the gut. This is why owners of ulcer prone horses are told to stay away from high starch feeds (which usually contain corn, oats, barley, molasses and other high sugar ingredients).
Oats themselves aren't nevessarily evil. The starch in them is the bad thing and can do more harm than good when it comes to an already damaged stomach. |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-01-13 6:56 PM
Cheryl
I've been worried about ulcers since switching to oats and alfalfa but every vet I've talked to feels that commercial feeds run a greater risk of causing them than oats. I even asked Rood and Riddle and then felt retarded when their interns giggled at my question! Apparently thats a silly question to ask at such a place lol
I was reading about barley today. I really wish horse nutritionalists were more available without the bias support of a feed company!
It all depends on the horse, the environment, drugs and the feed.
The problem with most vets, and I don't know the two you referenced, is most will not look at the whole horse.
With every drug given to your horse, it has a negative effect on their body, short term or long term. Bute/banamine/aspirin all studies have shown long term effects can damage the mucosal lining in the stomach. Previcoxx in the pharmacology text I have it states can cause ulcers. Studies comparing all the listed drugs above show previcoxx has less incidence hence why so many are recommending it.
I have one horse when she is in a box stall within 3 days she has ulcers, but while she is kicked out on pasture after treatment whole oats doesn't bother her. (She has never gotten whole oats while being stalled only hay 24/7)
I have one horse if she gets oats she develops diarrhea, this is a sign of a ph shift in the hind gut. She can also show signs of colic about 30 min after oats.
Processed feed, can cause the same problems, this is why it is important to know what you are feeding.
The vets may be thinking the processed feeds you are talking about are sweet feed (grain/molasses), and any other processed feed that has a NSC (non structural carbohydrate) over 20 can cause a shift in ph.
You also have to remember unless the vet has continued to stay current in nutrition, they really shouldn't be giving their opinion. Also vets do not study equine nutrition at length.
The processed feed I give is buckeye grow and win, it is costly, but high protein 36/39%, NSC 12/15%, Fat 5% (can't remember if it is either or on the two). I like a higher fat content so I give 1/2-1 cup of flax seed depending on body score.
Some don't like as high of protein, and when mine aren't working they don't get the grow and win. Buckeye also has a safe and easy same NSC, and fat, but protein is 12.
I don't market or sell buckeye, this is what I use can can give as an example.
If you go to a feed store look at the tag, most feeds will not measure or include the NSC.
As for barley, it is a highly fermentable grain, why beer is so good is due to the processing to make it beer
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| When oates are digested, some of the starch is converted into sugars the rest is converted into volatile fatty acids. Cecal acidosis.. This is true of any cereal grain. Glucans are sugars. I serious!y doubt that sugars are going to prevent ulcers. This sugar will raise the blood sugar and can make a horse hard to train. lzo ages have very little nutritional value other than the sugars.
I highly recommend THE HORSE NUTRITION HANDBOOK by Melyni Worth. I took an equine nutrition course about 45 years ago and felt that things had changed a little since then. I ordered this book off Amazon along with several others. I like this one the best. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I read a study done a few years ago that cited any more than 2# of grain in any meal begins the ulcer process. It said the more grain per meal the faster the ulcers began. :) |
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