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| We have a coming 3YO stud colt that is going phenomenally on the pattern. His oldest full sibling was just diagnosed with PSSM P/N (means only one parent is the carrier) so we decided to test ours and he is sadly also PSSM P/N. If he is bred to a N/N mare, the colt has a 50% chance to be a PSSM P/N carrier. He is bred well, has perfect looks and is very athletic and advanced for his age. My BIG question is...should we just geld him under all circumstances, or should we take a chance at testing any of our broodmares and picking out the ones that are N/N? We planned on standing him to the public (already have contracts waiting), but I am guessing a lot of breeders won't go ahead and test their mares to make sure they are N/N...and frankly, I don't want to deal with people saying we don't care and that we just want to make money off breeding him, that is NOT the case. We would only allow him to be bred to N/N mares, I just don't think many people would spend the extra ONLY $85 to have their mares tested...it would be to their benefit anyhow! I'd like any guidance if someone has anything to say. Thank you. |
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Location: ND | Can't even imagine how disappointed you had to be getting that news. Personally, I'd geld him and would not consider breeding to him regardless of what he accomplishes. |
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| Please geld him. This is a horrible disease for horses and owners. My mare is n/p1 and it takes a lot of time and money to maintain these horses particularly if you compete on them. |
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| :( very sorry. I personally would not breed to him no matter what due to the condition. I hate that you got this news. |
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| Firstly, Thank you for caring that your colt has a disease, and asking opinions on whether to geld or not.
I would never breed anything that is not 5 panel clear, so I would geld him. That is sad news for an owner to get. |
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Location: Nowhere Special | You are just better off to geld him and cut the loss. Even if all the mare owners test the mares you still have a 50% chance of getting a foal with pssm. Way to many nice horses out there to not test both mares and stallions and narrow the chances of having a disease that you can not cure and can only cope with, some can never make performance horses no matter how you manage them. Some also do not show signs till their 5th or 6th year, thats a lot of money to dump into a horse to have a bad gene come in and end a career.. JMO |
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Location: So. California | PSSM1 is a dominant gene, therefore he has PSSM. It's not worth breeding to PSSM stallion (or breeding a PSSM mare) regardless of how good they are. I would geld...
As an outside option and if you have some deep pockets, you could do embryo testing and ONLY use the N/N embryo's for implantation in select mares. I don't know which clinic's are performing this service, but it is an outside option if you are determined to get a few N/N foals on the ground. A lot of work and expense for a foal... |
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| Sorry about your colt testing PSSM positive. Thank you for being responsible and testing. I would personally geld, I will not breed to anything that is not tested negative across the board, or buy anything. If you ever experience a symptomatic PSSM horse it's heartbreaking, sometimes diet & exercise help and sometimes not. You'd also better have deep pockets as the expense with vets, feed, etc. will be overwhelming. Just my opinion on the subject.
Edited by Justahorse-n-around 2015-02-20 1:18 AM
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| We appreciate the comments and have decided that gelding is the only option. |
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Location: sunny california | Suzannagrace22 - 2015-02-20 6:17 AM
We appreciate the comments and have decided that gelding is the only option.
one thing you might want to consider is storing some frozen semen. then later you could do the embryo thing. that way if he does hit it bigtime you wont look back and do the shoulda coulda |
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Location: Kansas | so sorry to hear that, I see alot of stallions advertised...and the 5 panel results are in very very fine print....and some of the nice cowbred ones I've seen...were positive on HERDA etc. Those should not be stood at stud.
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Location: Central Texas | Suzannagrace22 - 2015-02-20 8:17 AM
We appreciate the comments and have decided that gelding is the only option.
So sorry about the news but I think you are being a very responsible horse owner! Kuddos to you. This is such a horrible disease. Many have to be euthanized because of it. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Sorry about the bad news you got. I've never had to deal with a PSSM positive horse that I know of. But I'm on the PSSM board on facebook and regularly read the trials and frustration that people go through with their positive and symptomatic horses. I would not wish that on anyone.
IMO I wouldn't want to breed a horse with any of the dominant disorders, HYPP, PSSM1 or MH. The recessive ones (HERDA and GBED) I would only breed positive to an N/N horse That way there are no affected horses born. That's why I tested all my breeding stock. Even my mares. I think as people become aware of these disorders they will be demanding "clean" prospects. It's much easier on everyone in the long run.
Each of us has to make our own informed decisions about what to breed. Thank you for being aware and taking the step to test.  |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-02-20 8:24 AM
so sorry to hear that, I see alot of stallions advertised...and the 5 panel results are in very very fine print....and some of the nice cowbred ones I've seen...were positive on HERDA etc. Those should not be stood at stud.
I agree, but HERDA is recessive I believe so if they carry 1 gene, as long as they are bred to mares that are N/N for Herda, the foal is fine. I think all mares and stallions bred should be N/N. No exceptions. That is just me though. |
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