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| FlyingJT - 2015-03-03 3:39 PM CaitConn - 2015-03-03 3:35 PM I have been a new producer and had this happen to me. A "friend" who was supposed to be helping me with the fine points because she had been in the industry much longer forced me to restake the barrels after her daughter fell in the third run. We asked all three of the runners who had run to come to the office and asked their opinion of the ground. We were trying to start a new facility so we wanted people to know we were listening and willing to make things as safe as possible. The racers agreed that the ground was loose so we moved the third barrel up. I was not happy about it but I wanted it to be safe for all. For all of you negative Nancies out there you have no idea how hard it is to put on a race. Producers struggle to make the best events possible. They want to hear your constructive criticism and improve. But your selfish comments are often taken to heart and then cause people like me to be so dis-heartened by the whole community that they refuse to produce more events. After the race I found out that this person had been calling people and telling them to stay away. I was so upset and heartbroken. We were working our tails off to make the facility a premier location. Due to this circumstance the location owners chose to cancel all future races there. I had to move BBR/WPRA co-approved races and I have since chosen not to produce races any more. It wasn't worth the stress or the headaches involved. Beating a dead horse here, I'm sure.  But you have to understand just how much effort and energy is put into putting these events on. Most of the time when new producers are starting out they make little to no money because they are not yet well established enough to get major sponsors. When you take the joy out of it it is certainly not worth it to the producer to continue. If you want to have quality events to enjoy then you will have to stop bad-mouthing and act like the professional horse (wo )men you are supposed to be. For the producers who are having these challenges with contestants, I will keep saying prayers for you! Some have commented that you should make foul-language a reason to ban someone, but as someone with a bit of a potty mouth myself (although never directed at someone in anger ) I would be scared to go to a race with those rules. I think that you should set your rules up to ban someone who abuses production staff, etc. Or take a note from rodeo and have "officials" for each race (like rodeo judges ). It's their job to make the tough calls. If someone wants to file a complaint they will have to file a fee with the office and take it up with the official for the day. The official keeps the money if the decision is upheld. The person gets it returned if their complaint is found to have merit. Anyone who comes in the office will have to take up their concerns with the official. That eliminates abuse of office staff/volunteers and helps to keep the show moving. Many people like to hear their voice but not enough to pay for the opportunity. If I ever produce a race again that will be in my rules. As a producer myself I couldn't agree more with your post! 
I have witnessed the bad attitudes from compeditors at races myself. It seems someone always finds something to be disatisfied about. I truely have compasion for you folks that produce. |
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Location: USA | CaitConn - 2015-03-03 3:35 PM I have been a new producer and had this happen to me. A "friend" who was supposed to be helping me with the fine points because she had been in the industry much longer forced me to restake the barrels after her daughter fell in the third run. We asked all three of the runners who had run to come to the office and asked their opinion of the ground. We were trying to start a new facility so we wanted people to know we were listening and willing to make things as safe as possible. The racers agreed that the ground was loose so we moved the third barrel up. I was not happy about it but I wanted it to be safe for all. For all of you negative Nancies out there you have no idea how hard it is to put on a race. Producers struggle to make the best events possible. They want to hear your constructive criticism and improve. But your selfish comments are often taken to heart and then cause people like me to be so dis-heartened by the whole community that they refuse to produce more events. After the race I found out that this person had been calling people and telling them to stay away. I was so upset and heartbroken. We were working our tails off to make the facility a premier location. Due to this circumstance the location owners chose to cancel all future races there. I had to move BBR/WPRA co-approved races and I have since chosen not to produce races any more. It wasn't worth the stress or the headaches involved. Beating a dead horse here, I'm sure. But you have to understand just how much effort and energy is put into putting these events on. Most of the time when new producers are starting out they make little to no money because they are not yet well established enough to get major sponsors. When you take the joy out of it it is certainly not worth it to the producer to continue. If you want to have quality events to enjoy then you will have to stop bad-mouthing and act like the professional horse (wo )men you are supposed to be. For the producers who are having these challenges with contestants, I will keep saying prayers for you! Some have commented that you should make foul-language a reason to ban someone, but as someone with a bit of a potty mouth myself (although never directed at someone in anger ) I would be scared to go to a race with those rules. I think that you should set your rules up to ban someone who abuses production staff, etc. Or take a note from rodeo and have "officials" for each race (like rodeo judges ). It's their job to make the tough calls. If someone wants to file a complaint they will have to file a fee with the office and take it up with the official for the day. The official keeps the money if the decision is upheld. The person gets it returned if their complaint is found to have merit. Anyone who comes in the office will have to take up their concerns with the official. That eliminates abuse of office staff/volunteers and helps to keep the show moving. Many people like to hear their voice but not enough to pay for the opportunity. If I ever produce a race again that will be in my rules.
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | Good luck with your plan. I would still go as far as calling the sherriff's office, giving them a heads up that they maybe called to assist in escorting her off of the grounds when you do have your race. If this is an on going issue I'm sure once you tell her she is banned from your races all h3ll is going to break loose. |
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Location: Mayerthorpe Alberta | At the stage Im at in my life, I would be more than happy to never ever produce aka host a barrel race again. I am very happy to help as much as I can at events and not have the hassle of the poor hosts. It just simply is so demoralizing to have people tear you apart for doing the best you can to make things fair for everyone and there is always someone not happy about something. It truly wears you down. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | BLM - 2015-03-03 4:32 PM CaitConn - 2015-03-03 3:35 PM I have been a new producer and had this happen to me. A "friend" who was supposed to be helping me with the fine points because she had been in the industry much longer forced me to restake the barrels after her daughter fell in the third run. We asked all three of the runners who had run to come to the office and asked their opinion of the ground. We were trying to start a new facility so we wanted people to know we were listening and willing to make things as safe as possible. The racers agreed that the ground was loose so we moved the third barrel up. I was not happy about it but I wanted it to be safe for all. For all of you negative Nancies out there you have no idea how hard it is to put on a race. Producers struggle to make the best events possible. They want to hear your constructive criticism and improve. But your selfish comments are often taken to heart and then cause people like me to be so dis-heartened by the whole community that they refuse to produce more events. After the race I found out that this person had been calling people and telling them to stay away. I was so upset and heartbroken. We were working our tails off to make the facility a premier location. Due to this circumstance the location owners chose to cancel all future races there. I had to move BBR/WPRA co-approved races and I have since chosen not to produce races any more. It wasn't worth the stress or the headaches involved. Beating a dead horse here, I'm sure. But you have to understand just how much effort and energy is put into putting these events on. Most of the time when new producers are starting out they make little to no money because they are not yet well established enough to get major sponsors. When you take the joy out of it it is certainly not worth it to the producer to continue. If you want to have quality events to enjoy then you will have to stop bad-mouthing and act like the professional horse (wo )men you are supposed to be. For the producers who are having these challenges with contestants, I will keep saying prayers for you! Some have commented that you should make foul-language a reason to ban someone, but as someone with a bit of a potty mouth myself (although never directed at someone in anger ) I would be scared to go to a race with those rules. I think that you should set your rules up to ban someone who abuses production staff, etc. Or take a note from rodeo and have "officials" for each race (like rodeo judges ). It's their job to make the tough calls. If someone wants to file a complaint they will have to file a fee with the office and take it up with the official for the day. The official keeps the money if the decision is upheld. The person gets it returned if their complaint is found to have merit. Anyone who comes in the office will have to take up their concerns with the official. That eliminates abuse of office staff/volunteers and helps to keep the show moving. Many people like to hear their voice but not enough to pay for the opportunity. If I ever produce a race again that will be in my rules.
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Location: South Texas | Post your rules and on our entry forms where you sign the release it also says you agree to follow all Wrapn3 rules. I have banned one person. She showed up once after that and we refused to take her entry and she left.....about six months later I was asked to let her come back so I did on probationary terms. She personally has not been a problem really but it is her mothers behavior and that was why she was banned in the first place. So I allowed her back as long as her mother did not come with her (the girl was 17ish and father hauled her as well) well first rattle out of the box mom was hiding on the grounds and I was told by others so when she came to the office with her dad we refused her entry and told her to not come back.....Then she showed up on the grounds again as a paid loper for a trainer and I had her removed from the property. She is the only one who has been permenantly banned. I understand she had been banned from other events as well and again because of her mother. I did have one get stupid with me one day and put her hands on me. I tore up her entries up and told her to have a nice trip back to Salado TX and she left. She showed up again at one of my races about a year later and I never heard a peep out of her as she competed and all was good...you have to be fair and consistent to all regardless if you like them personally or not and it makes no difference if they are fressh off the playday circuit or the NFR the same rules apply. |
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Location: USA | snazzy - 2015-03-04 4:57 AM
Post your rules and on our entry forms where you sign the release it also says you agree to follow all Wrapn3 rules. I have banned one person. She showed up once after that and we refused to take her entry and she left.....about six months later I was asked to let her come back so I did on probationary terms. She personally has not been a problem really but it is her mothers behavior and that was why she was banned in the first place. So I allowed her back as long as her mother did not come with her (the girl was 17ish and father hauled her as well) well first rattle out of the box mom was hiding on the grounds and I was told by others so when she came to the office with her dad we refused her entry and told her to not come back.....Then she showed up on the grounds again as a paid loper for a trainer and I had her removed from the property. She is the only one who has been permenantly banned. I understand she had been banned from other events as well and again because of her mother. I did have one get stupid with me one day and put her hands on me. I tore up her entries up and told her to have a nice trip back to Salado TX and she left. She showed up again at one of my races about a year later and I never heard a peep out of her as she competed and all was good...you have to be fair and consistent to all regardless if you like them personally or not and it makes no difference if they are fressh off the playday circuit or the NFR the same rules apply.
Wow! That family must have some sort of mental illness! |
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