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Location: Midwest | pinx05 - 2015-03-27 9:25 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-26 12:21 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-26 12:09 PM Yeah, because if it's on the internet it MUST be true right? Let's just keep getting stupider and stupider :-/ Dispose of dairy calves???? Let PMU foals and mares just die??? Sounds like great business practice....Common sense people, do you think that the majority of these businesses would let a profit "die"??? Get real....Get your information from reliable sources, don't google and believe every article you read.  Dispose of dairy calves makes me laugh. Yeah they dispose of them for $300 to $500 a head at three days old! Expensive little farts : )
In my area they bottle feed all of the calves. My friend owns a dairy farm and they do everything to keep those calves alive for either use on the farm or sale as a steer. They have about 4000 head between two farms and I assure you they don't just throw out all those calves. They are kept in hutches and bucket/bottle fed until old enough to sell.
During the cold snaps last year they did everything they could to save as many as possible, including bringing calves in the office bathrooms to warm them up!
If you are getting calves for 25 bucks I want in on that! lol | |
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| pinx05 - 2015-03-27 9:25 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-26 12:21 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-26 12:09 PM Yeah, because if it's on the internet it MUST be true right? Let's just keep getting stupider and stupider :-/ Dispose of dairy calves???? Let PMU foals and mares just die??? Sounds like great business practice....Common sense people, do you think that the majority of these businesses would let a profit "die"??? Get real....Get your information from reliable sources, don't google and believe every article you read. Dispose of dairy calves makes me laugh. Yeah they dispose of them for $300 to $500 a head at three days old! Expensive little farts : )
The market has changed. They were that cheap here a few years back. Are they that cheap there now? If they are, I am going to need a trailer full. I've raised my share of bottle calves. Just 15 or 20 at a time. I was young and had the time to mess with them and made decent money on them.
I remember a time when rumors were rampant of farmers knocking them in the head, but that turned out to be only rumor. | |
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Location: Texas | bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:17 AM pinx05 - 2015-03-27 9:25 AM bennie1 - 2015-03-26 12:21 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-26 12:09 PM Yeah, because if it's on the internet it MUST be true right? Let's just keep getting stupider and stupider :-/ Dispose of dairy calves???? Let PMU foals and mares just die??? Sounds like great business practice....Common sense people, do you think that the majority of these businesses would let a profit "die"??? Get real....Get your information from reliable sources, don't google and believe every article you read. Dispose of dairy calves makes me laugh. Yeah they dispose of them for $300 to $500 a head at three days old! Expensive little farts : ) The market has changed. They were that cheap here a few years back. Are they that cheap there now? If they are, I am going to need a trailer full. I've raised my share of bottle calves. Just 15 or 20 at a time. I was young and had the time to mess with them and made decent money on them. I remember a time when rumors were rampant of farmers knocking them in the head, but that turned out to be only rumor.
ETA: We got them in small groups also. We would go get 5-10, and once that group got going good we would go get another. Once my husband brought home like 20, that group was miserable lol. That was just too many needy babies on top of what we already had.
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| pinx05 - 2015-03-27 10:20 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:17 AM
pinx05 - 2015-03-27 9:25 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-26 12:21 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-26 12:09 PM Yeah, because if it's on the internet it MUST be true right? Let's just keep getting stupider and stupider :-/ Dispose of dairy calves???? Let PMU foals and mares just die??? Sounds like great business practice....Common sense people, do you think that the majority of these businesses would let a profit "die"??? Get real....Get your information from reliable sources, don't google and believe every article you read. Dispose of dairy calves makes me laugh. Yeah they dispose of them for $300 to $500 a head at three days old! Expensive little farts : )
The market has changed. They were that cheap here a few years back. Are they that cheap there now? If they are, I am going to need a trailer full. I've raised my share of bottle calves. Just 15 or 20 at a time. I was young and had the time to mess with them and made decent money on them.
I remember a time when rumors were rampant of farmers knocking them in the head, but that turned out to be only rumor.
I don't know what they are now. This was about 3-4 years ago.
I didn't say they threw them out by the way, they were selling them to us... just for dirt cheap.
A few years ago they were cheaper. Here's a link to an auction a couple weeks ago. Scroll down and the baby calves are toward the bottom. http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/jc_ls130.txt | |
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Location: Texas | bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:22 AM pinx05 - 2015-03-27 10:20 AM bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:17 AM pinx05 - 2015-03-27 9:25 AM bennie1 - 2015-03-26 12:21 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-26 12:09 PM Yeah, because if it's on the internet it MUST be true right? Let's just keep getting stupider and stupider :-/ Dispose of dairy calves???? Let PMU foals and mares just die??? Sounds like great business practice....Common sense people, do you think that the majority of these businesses would let a profit "die"??? Get real....Get your information from reliable sources, don't google and believe every article you read. Dispose of dairy calves makes me laugh. Yeah they dispose of them for $300 to $500 a head at three days old! Expensive little farts : ) The market has changed. They were that cheap here a few years back. Are they that cheap there now? If they are, I am going to need a trailer full. I've raised my share of bottle calves. Just 15 or 20 at a time. I was young and had the time to mess with them and made decent money on them. I remember a time when rumors were rampant of farmers knocking them in the head, but that turned out to be only rumor. I don't know what they are now. This was about 3-4 years ago. I didn't say they threw them out by the way, they were selling them to us... just for dirt cheap. A few years ago they were cheaper. Here's a link to an auction a couple weeks ago. Scroll down and the baby calves are toward the bottom. http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/jc_ls130.txt
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| pinx05 - 2015-03-27 11:00 AM
bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:22 AM pinx05 - 2015-03-27 10:20 AM bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:17 AM pinx05 - 2015-03-27 9:25 AM bennie1 - 2015-03-26 12:21 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-26 12:09 PM Yeah, because if it's on the internet it MUST be true right? Let's just keep getting stupider and stupider :-/ Dispose of dairy calves???? Let PMU foals and mares just die??? Sounds like great business practice....Common sense people, do you think that the majority of these businesses would let a profit "die"??? Get real....Get your information from reliable sources, don't google and believe every article you read. Dispose of dairy calves makes me laugh. Yeah they dispose of them for $300 to $500 a head at three days old! Expensive little farts : ) The market has changed. They were that cheap here a few years back. Are they that cheap there now? If they are, I am going to need a trailer full. I've raised my share of bottle calves. Just 15 or 20 at a time. I was young and had the time to mess with them and made decent money on them. I remember a time when rumors were rampant of farmers knocking them in the head, but that turned out to be only rumor. I don't know what they are now. This was about 3-4 years ago. I didn't say they threw them out by the way, they were selling them to us... just for dirt cheap. A few years ago they were cheaper. Here's a link to an auction a couple weeks ago. Scroll down and the baby calves are toward the bottom. http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/jc_ls130.txt
I think it's a character flaw of mine that I have to prove I'm not crazy when I make a statement. I think it comes off as having the last word or spiking the ball. Sorry about that. | |
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Location: Texas | bennie1 - 2015-03-27 11:11 AM pinx05 - 2015-03-27 11:00 AM bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:22 AM pinx05 - 2015-03-27 10:20 AM bennie1 - 2015-03-27 10:17 AM pinx05 - 2015-03-27 9:25 AM bennie1 - 2015-03-26 12:21 PM MeepMeep - 2015-03-26 12:09 PM Yeah, because if it's on the internet it MUST be true right? Let's just keep getting stupider and stupider :-/ Dispose of dairy calves???? Let PMU foals and mares just die??? Sounds like great business practice....Common sense people, do you think that the majority of these businesses would let a profit "die"??? Get real....Get your information from reliable sources, don't google and believe every article you read. Dispose of dairy calves makes me laugh. Yeah they dispose of them for $300 to $500 a head at three days old! Expensive little farts : ) The market has changed. They were that cheap here a few years back. Are they that cheap there now? If they are, I am going to need a trailer full. I've raised my share of bottle calves. Just 15 or 20 at a time. I was young and had the time to mess with them and made decent money on them. I remember a time when rumors were rampant of farmers knocking them in the head, but that turned out to be only rumor. I don't know what they are now. This was about 3-4 years ago. I didn't say they threw them out by the way, they were selling them to us... just for dirt cheap. A few years ago they were cheaper. Here's a link to an auction a couple weeks ago. Scroll down and the baby calves are toward the bottom. http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/jc_ls130.txt I think it's a character flaw of mine that I have to prove I'm not crazy when I make a statement. I think it comes off as having the last word or spiking the ball. Sorry about that.
No problem lol. I kept going back and reading what I typed going "What did I say?". | |
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Location: kansas | I have to say that in the past, while working on a commercial TB farm, we did use nurse mares. Their foals were not taken away from them until they were needed, the mares have to be in milk. Most of the ones we used had their foals given to people in the neighborhood and I even got one, he was 30 days old when I got him. | |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | fatchance - 2015-03-26 9:03 PM BMW - 2015-03-26 5:39 PM fatchance - 2015-03-25 10:54 AM livinonlove&horses - 2015-03-25 5:40 AM I read an article where a lot of TB goals are raised by nurse mares. Because they are worth so much when they are born and the mare needs to be rebred which requires travel because they won't AI it's too risky to send the foal with the mare. So it is raised by a nurse mare while the mare is shipped for rebreeding Please direct me to this article. I assure you I have never seen this practice. I would think separating a mare from her foal would cause an extreme amount of distress on the mare and coming into heat or being bred would be the last thing on her mind. Separating a mare from her foal just to rebreed sounds like a fairy tale to me. Rachel Alexandra's foal was put on a nurse mare as she had a life threatening infection. Curlin's dam has a deformed/fractured knee so her foals are put on nurse mares as she is unable to care for them. I have also heard of the nurse mares keeping their foal and nursing two foals.
The bleeding hearts here that truly belive there is a horrid issue with over population due to nurse mares need to see how many QH farms/ranches are using surrogate mares to mass produce one dam. Got to love a dam than can produce litters. I can do this all day long, as a whole there is enough blame to go around, but to say what was said about nurse mares in absolute is unfair.
I agree with you FC.
And seriously, I disagree with the bad parts of Nurse mare issues but there is obviously a need. I dont think the bad people created the need. But if you are going to take a baby away from a mare and all the work involved in training a mare to be a good nurse mare while keeping your now orphaned foal well cared for, they ought to make a profit. I dont see it a greed or a quick buck.
We have to be careful where to draw the line on animal rights or we too will be regulated out of the cruel practice of running barrels on a 4 year old baby.
Lastly, there are breeders on here (adding to the unwanted population so to speak) who if there was a camera on their operation of how they handled broodmares and babies- the customers would be shocked!! And we would have a whole other thread about how these people are still in business and we support them.
I have a bleeding heart more than anyone. But I think hype on the internet by those who have not been to any such facility or farm who uses these mares is near sladerous. IMO.
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Location: Florida.. | Being concerned about over population and assembly line mares and over producing to me isnt a bleeding heart.. I am concerned and tired of the overbreeding ..and so is alot BUT I agree breeders do the same thing .. mare after mare after mare.. more more more... some anyway.. unfortunately ... people cant self regulate.. I know its no place for government though.. so its a no win situation.. | |
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