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Location: Texas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:32 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way...... I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out.
First of all, you are rude.
Second, 6 years is a long time. If your horse wasn't scared of the trailer or nervous why would it just not back up?
Third, 99.9% of time horses respond to calm, not so ignorant, actions. So, the only decent advise you gave was for the OP to ask "pretty please".
Lastly, please do share with us your trainer's name, so we don't ever use him/her. |
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Location: Missouri | I know the mare the OP is talking about. She is a nice mare, someone one said maybe due to sore hocks, that could be the problem. The people who owned her before had a ramp or would turn her around? The mare will back all day long and whenin trailer will back to the edge but will not step down or even try!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | EqualRanch - 2015-03-30 5:58 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:32 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way...... I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out.
Second, 6 years is a long time. If your horse wasn't scared of the trailer or nervous why would it just not back up?
Third, 99.9% of time horses respond to calm, not so ignorant, actions. So, the only decent advise you gave was for the OP to ask "pretty please".
Lastly, please do share with us your trainer's name, so we don't ever use him/her.
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Location: Midwest | There is a midpoint between "saying pretty please" to your horse and yanking on it with a severe bit.
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Location: Heart of Texas | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 1:52 PM Horse is 10. Broke broke broke just will not back off trailer. I think in a previous life had an accident. My LQ wth the mangers isnt wide enough for her to turn around in. Tried to get her back off trailer it just ****ed her off now shes holding on.. Trailer is open with feed bucket outside. Waiting.... I have the same problem. Mine is an 11 year old gelding that started his career as a cutter, and has been used a ton in the pasture to work cows. There is nothing he won't do... except back out of the trailer. He goes in to a panic when I ask him to back out. I've never hauled with anyone else, not sure how I could get him out if I did.
eta: Wow! Should have read the whole thread. If I tried the big bit with him, we would both be dead.
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| Well here is to hoping your horse has come off the trailer.
If I were in your situation I would work on establishing some trust pronto.
I have had the opportunity to recently work with a well known Amish horse trainer via I rescue that I help out.
This guy is very well known for his ability to work with problem horses that no one else will take. He recently took on an 11 year old stud that had been untouched and got him riding. This horse was untouchable. Getting him loaded to take him to this trainer was a task.
Anyways, I have learned from him that if a horse doesn't do something you want it to do there is a hole in the trust, so you must go back and establish trust so that in all situations the horse will look to you to protect it. Which is something we all probably know as horse people, but forget to think about.
I can go into more details about the exercises I have learned from Ben, but not sure if you are interested. If you are PM me and I will be happy to share some things I have learned from him or I will post them here.
There are two types of horse people in this world:
Those that force their horses to do things, and those that work with their horse to get things accomplished.
Be the person who works with their horse to get things accomplished through willingness, not force. THOSE are the horse people to admire. |
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Location: Texas | I agree with this 100%!
If a horse has trust issues, that should be your number one priority before moving forward in training or expectations. Calm, gentle people get WAY more accomplished than loud, rough, obnoxious people.
Also, if you don't trust a horse, it's because it doesn't trust you, not that it's crazy or stupid.
ETA: Is he still in the trailer? 
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Location: Texarkana | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM
Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
Well aren't you just a special kind of stupid. Bless your pitiful little heart. |
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Location: Red Raiderland | MeepMeep - 2015-03-30 5:23 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:32 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way...... I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out. What I don't get is why turning a horse to unload is such a big problem that you would let someone rip their face off to "fix" it? I prefer a horse to back off, but some of them take a pretty hefty stance against it and I don't fight it. If that's their preference I don't let it be a big deal. When I have one that won't back out I never put them in the last hole, that's my solution. If that's stupid, then I guess I am stupid, but at least my horses like me ( BTW there is NEVER a good reason to rip at a horse's mouth, even if it did "work".....We need to treat our horse's with a little bit more respect than that )
100 x's agree! The mouth should ONLY be used for communication. I've seen results of horses be manhandled to get out. The one that really sticks in my mind is a horse we loaned out years ago that loaded and unloaded just fine but they loaded him in a small stock trailer and he was unsure to back out and come to find out they "scared" him to get him out and he split his entire forehead open! He then took off down the road with this huge piece of forehead flapping in the breeze-literally!
I understand the urgency in some situations but the severe bit in the mouth by a "so called trainer" just NO!
Fabulous, if your trainer was so good he/she could have picked a time to work with the horse and not gone the "5 min fix" route. You did say you had been unloading the same way for six years, why did this time HAVE to be a quick fix? Have you taught any other horse this way? |
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| The horse is off the trailer... She came off about 5:30 cst. She backed off with a little coaxing meaning pushing into her chest with a shoulder. No water although That is an excellent idea I did try it but she likes water lol, there was no jerking her face off! Just patience and waiting her out. After she unloaded we loaded her back in and she did back off somewhat easily. Did this about 10 times. We will do this everyday for quite a while!
Thanks for all the responses!
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Location: Red Raiderland | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 8:52 PM The horse is off the trailer... She came off about 5:30 cst. She backed off with a little coaxing meaning pushing into her chest with a shoulder. No water although That is an excellent idea I did try it but she likes water lol, there was no jerking her face off! Just patience and waiting her out. After she unloaded we loaded her back in and she did back off somewhat easily. Did this about 10 times. We will do this everyday for quite a while! Thanks for all the responses!
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Location: Some where | Woo hoooo! Glad to hear it :) |
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| My paint horse has had EPM. He has a hard time backing out of the trailer because his back end stays sore. He does back out slowly. I can tell that sometime it hurts him though.
My broodmare is 21 years old. She was never taught to back up at all. I just turn her around in the trailer and she steps out. No big deal.
I will say that teaching a horse to RUN backwards out of a trailer is very dangerous.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 8:52 PM The horse is off the trailer... She came off about 5:30 cst. She backed off with a little coaxing meaning pushing into her chest with a shoulder. No water although That is an excellent idea I did try it but she likes water lol, there was no jerking her face off! Just patience and waiting her out. After she unloaded we loaded her back in and she did back off somewhat easily. Did this about 10 times. We will do this everyday for quite a while! Thanks for all the responses!
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| bridle them and then back them off w/ long driving reins or lead ropes. other than that, call a horse whisperer...........
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Location: Arkansas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM
arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM
fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM
Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck.
I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason.
It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse.
Yeah sounds like you're a REAL "fixer" |
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| Recently hauled a top producing race broodmare that refused to get out once I got her home. She knew how but was upset. She'd just lost her foal the week before and I think she was still grieving. I had put her in the second hole just behind stud stall. She was soaked with sweat, panicking and kept trying to turn around but she couldn't bc she was to big. The owners were freaking out. It took me 30 minutes just standing with her and talking to her, my goal was to get her to relax. She did and took enough steps back I could get the study stall open. I took her out the side escape door. Training solution, no but I HAD to get her out.
My own personal horses I use horse cookies to teach them to get in and out. My big gelding will sometimes refuse to go in so I lunge him right at the back of the trailer and make him work. It usually takes a good minute of moving his feet and he realizes I'd rather be in the trailer LOL
To the person who used a bit and ripped off the horses face to teach it to back out, WOW. No words. |
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