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Location: Here | have you checked for sand in the gut? have you done a power pac?
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Location: North Dakota | Likely why previous owner sold the horse! I would move on and get something you can actually ride. Waiting around all spring and summer for a horse that may or may not ever be issue free is just not worth the money and headache! Just my opinion, do what you think is best for you! |
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Location: North Dakota | I have no idea what a power pac is...I'll have to look that up. This horse was sold because his owner was moving and couldn't take him. I had him vet checked when I bought him and he wasn't back sore at all for the first 3.5 months I owned him. I LOVE this horse. As far as horses go, he is my soul mate and I want to do EVERYTHING possible to get him sound. I could not live with myself if I were to get rid of him. |
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Location: North Dakota | Also, I don't have any sand anything at my barn but he was kept in a sand pen for idk how long before I got him. I have a vet appt next week for my other horse so if there's anything else I can have her test for I'll see if she can squeeze him in. |
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| 1. Are you using Ulcergard or Gastrogard? Those will give you great results within five days, and can increase appetite in 24 hours or less. Treat for 15 days.
2. Why wouldn't you get $100 worth of X-rays to check for kissing spine? Can't be diagnosed/disproved without them.
3. Power pack if ribby.
4. 10 days of 1/2 tube ProBios two times a day.
5. Sore hocks and/or stifles can cause back pain. So can an SI problem.
6. Incorrect shoeing angles can cause sore joints. Sore joints can cause digestive problems.
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Location: North Dakota | classicpotatochip - 2015-04-19 11:39 AM 1. Are you using Ulcergard or Gastrogard? Those will give you great results within five days, and can increase appetite in 24 hours or less. Treat for 15 days. 2. Why wouldn't you get $100 worth of X-rays to check for kissing spine? Can't be diagnosed/disproved without them. 3. Power pack if ribby. 4. 10 days of 1/2 tube ProBios two times a day. 5. Sore hocks and/or stifles can cause back pain. So can an SI problem. 6. Incorrect shoeing angles can cause sore joints. Sore joints can cause digestive problems.
1. I am not because $1000+ for a month is impossible for me.
2. My vet said that at that point (before we got the blood results back) that it was so unlikely I should save the money and wait. She's an hour away and I don't have a trailer so I have to really plan my visits.
3. I just googled the PowerPac...I already did his March/April dewormer. Is there something special about this or....?
4. I'll look into that. He is on a probiotic.
5. She did a flexion test for the hocks/stifles and found absolutely nothing. He has never shown the slightest sign of lameness, and he's only 6 and never been hauled or used very hard.
6. When he had his abscess, he was lame for like 2 months (it was BAD). He spent 2 weeks living in soft rides then went to shoes with pads. He's now back to being barefoot. My farrier is very good and everyone in the area uses him but you never know I guess. |
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-19 12:08 PM
classicpotatochip - 2015-04-19 11:39 AM 1. Are you using Ulcergard or Gastrogard? Those will give you great results within five days, and can increase appetite in 24 hours or less. Treat for 15 days. 2. Why wouldn't you get $100 worth of X-rays to check for kissing spine? Can't be diagnosed/disproved without them. 3. Power pack if ribby. 4. 10 days of 1/2 tube ProBios two times a day. 5. Sore hocks and/or stifles can cause back pain. So can an SI problem. 6. Incorrect shoeing angles can cause sore joints. Sore joints can cause digestive problems.
1. I am not because $1000+ for a month is impossible for me.
2. My vet said that at that point (before we got the blood results back) that it was so unlikely I should save the money and wait. She's an hour away and I don't have a trailer so I have to really plan my visits.
3. I just googled the PowerPac...I already did his March/April dewormer. Is there something special about this or....?
4. I'll look into that. He is on a probiotic.
5. She did a flexion test for the hocks/stifles and found absolutely nothing. He has never shown the slightest sign of lameness, and he's only 6 and never been hauled or used very hard.
6. When he had his abscess, he was lame for like 2 months (it was BAD). He spent 2 weeks living in soft rides then went to shoes with pads. He's now back to being barefoot. My farrier is very good and everyone in the area uses him but you never know I guess.
As far as the Gastrogard is concerned, you could do 15 days for less than $500 and probably fix the problem, if you focused on good aftercare. https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=2e87c128-7b6a-11d5-a...
I'm surprised you spend a lot of time on this forum, and missed the power pac conversations. You could do a search and come up with the reason power pac is special.
How much is riding worth to you? I don't understand why people go with ulcer treatments that aren't proven, and aren't providing relief. Why not spend the money upfront and fix it rather than shell it out twenty bucks at a time on snake oil?
Edited to add: KS is not unlikely at all. Two out of four of mine have had/have it, one not showing symptoms, but the X-rays show it. One had surgery. KS is a lot more common than most people realize.
Edited by classicpotatochip 2015-04-19 12:20 PM
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Location: sunny california | when you did the lameness eval did you work the horse in deep sand to look for the stifle catching? that can cause sore back as they compensate to try and keep it from slipping out of place. I can not tell you how many vets miss this. |
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Location: North Dakota | classicpotatochip - 2015-04-19 12:17 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-04-19 12:08 PM
classicpotatochip - 2015-04-19 11:39 AM 1. Are you using Ulcergard or Gastrogard? Those will give you great results within five days, and can increase appetite in 24 hours or less. Treat for 15 days. 2. Why wouldn't you get $100 worth of X-rays to check for kissing spine? Can't be diagnosed/disproved without them. 3. Power pack if ribby. 4. 10 days of 1/2 tube ProBios two times a day. 5. Sore hocks and/or stifles can cause back pain. So can an SI problem. 6. Incorrect shoeing angles can cause sore joints. Sore joints can cause digestive problems.
1. I am not because $1000+ for a month is impossible for me.
2. My vet said that at that point (before we got the blood results back) that it was so unlikely I should save the money and wait. She's an hour away and I don't have a trailer so I have to really plan my visits.
3. I just googled the PowerPac...I already did his March/April dewormer. Is there something special about this or....?
4. I'll look into that. He is on a probiotic.
5. She did a flexion test for the hocks/stifles and found absolutely nothing. He has never shown the slightest sign of lameness, and he's only 6 and never been hauled or used very hard.
6. When he had his abscess, he was lame for like 2 months (it was BAD). He spent 2 weeks living in soft rides then went to shoes with pads. He's now back to being barefoot. My farrier is very good and everyone in the area uses him but you never know I guess.
As far as the Gastrogard is concerned, you could do 15 days for less than $500 and probably fix the problem, if you focused on good aftercare. https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=2e87c128-7b6a-11d5-a...
I'm surprised you spend a lot of time on this forum, and missed the power pac conversations. You could do a search and come up with the reason power pac is special.
How much is riding worth to you? I don't understand why people go with ulcer treatments that aren't proven, and aren't providing relief. Why not spend the money upfront and fix it rather than shell it out twenty bucks at a time on snake oil?
Edited to add: KS is not unlikely at all. Two out of four of mine have had/have it, one not showing symptoms, but the X-rays show it. One had surgery. KS is a lot more common than most people realize.
I don't know how I missed it either! I'll go back and look. Anyway, regarding the kissing spine, I had just lost my job and won't be starting my new one for another week or so, so I have to be really careful how I spend my vet money. We decided to see how the blood came back first. I also used omeprazole that was recommended by several people but it's back to the drawing board I guess. |
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Location: North Dakota | kwanatha - 2015-04-19 12:24 PM
when you did the lameness eval did you work the horse in deep sand to look for the stifle catching? that can cause sore back as they compensate to try and keep it from slipping out of place. I can not tell you how many vets miss this.
My arenas are all dirt. They're not super deep but I think you'd notice a stifle catching in it. His trot is totally even and he didn't look lame or even slightly off. |
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Location: IL | Just my opinion but if your horse has ulcer problems I would not power pac. Could he still just be healing from the abcess? They can be tricky. I feed Forco for hindgut problems and I'm a huge fan of it now. How are you determining that he has back pain. Some horses can just be flinchy to touch...Maybe his ulcers were really bad and when a back gets sore it takes a while for it to feel better. Have you tried a BOT blanket to help his back? |
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