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Location: Oklahoma | I have been riding treeless saddles (Bob Marshall originals, to be specific) since the early 90's and have won way over 6 figures running barrels with them. If you've been on this site for any time at all, you know how many horses I have go through my barn in a year. I ride them all in a treeless. They don't get sore, and I even cured one that came to me sore backed from being ridden in a Pozzi by riding him in a treeless. They do not pinch if they are placed on the back correctly. Most people place them too far up and don't bother to get educated about how to place them and how to cinch them up.
Now, in answer to your question, kickincans....I did have one older horse (he was 12) that would buck with a treeless. He would also buck with a treed saddle, but he bucked MORE with the treeless. I do think it was the close contact that he didn't like and being able to feel the rider. He had been vetted and he was not sore in his back. Just cowbred and ornery. Most of the horses I put in a treeless love them. I've had horses come to me extremely cinchy and after being ridden in my treeless saddles for about a month, become non-cinchy. I love them and won't ride anything else, but they are not a treed saddle and some horses have to get used to the "feel". Does your friend's horse try to buck when it's ridden bareback? If so, I would say it doesn't like being able to feel the rider. If not, perhaps she has it pulled too far forward and it's pinching the withers. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | workerbee - 2015-04-30 12:27 PM Nevertooold - 2015-04-30 10:01 AM workerbee - 2015-04-30 9:52 AM Early day horseman rode bareback. From traveling to waging war, for hundreds of years, man rode without a saddle. Yes I am defending my decision to ride a Bob Marshall. No one has to defend riding in a treeless. You ride in what works for you.
There is a big difference in riding bareback and riding in a treeless. When you say there is a big difference, what do you mean? Inquisitive not argumentative.
A treeless still has a cantle and pommel and can put pressure and/or pinch depending on how your horse is made and the saddle is made.
Horses back then didn't live into their 20's and still be sound and ridable. A horse in their early teens was considered an old horse and many would end up being retired because of soundness issues when I was growing up. |
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Location: Texas | dianeguinn - 2015-04-30 4:11 PM
I have been riding treeless saddles (Bob Marshall originals, to be specific) since the early 90's and have won way over 6 figures running barrels with them. If you've been on this site for any time at all, you know how many horses I have go through my barn in a year. I ride them all in a treeless. They don't get sore, and I even cured one that came to me sore backed from being ridden in a Pozzi by riding him in a treeless. They do not pinch if they are placed on the back correctly. Most people place them too far up and don't bother to get educated about how to place them and how to cinch them up.
Now, in answer to your question, kickincans....I did have one older horse (he was 12) that would buck with a treeless. He would also buck with a treed saddle, but he bucked MORE with the treeless. I do think it was the close contact that he didn't like and being able to feel the rider. He had been vetted and he was not sore in his back. Just cowbred and ornery. Most of the horses I put in a treeless love them. I've had horses come to me extremely cinchy and after being ridden in my treeless saddles for about a month, become non-cinchy. I love them and won't ride anything else, but they are not a treed saddle and some horses have to get used to the "feel". Does your friend's horse try to buck when it's ridden bareback? If so, I would say it doesn't like being able to feel the rider. If not, perhaps she has it pulled too far forward and it's pinching the withers.
I am not sure if he will buck bare back, I haven't been around when or if she has ridden him bareback, I am kinda leaning toward maybe the closer contact of the treeless, just hard to figure |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kickincans - 2015-04-30 10:14 PM dianeguinn - 2015-04-30 4:11 PM I have been riding treeless saddles (Bob Marshall originals, to be specific) since the early 90's and have won way over 6 figures running barrels with them. If you've been on this site for any time at all, you know how many horses I have go through my barn in a year. I ride them all in a treeless. They don't get sore, and I even cured one that came to me sore backed from being ridden in a Pozzi by riding him in a treeless. They do not pinch if they are placed on the back correctly. Most people place them too far up and don't bother to get educated about how to place them and how to cinch them up. Now, in answer to your question, kickincans....I did have one older horse (he was 12) that would buck with a treeless. He would also buck with a treed saddle, but he bucked MORE with the treeless. I do think it was the close contact that he didn't like and being able to feel the rider. He had been vetted and he was not sore in his back. Just cowbred and ornery. Most of the horses I put in a treeless love them. I've had horses come to me extremely cinchy and after being ridden in my treeless saddles for about a month, become non-cinchy. I love them and won't ride anything else, but they are not a treed saddle and some horses have to get used to the "feel". Does your friend's horse try to buck when it's ridden bareback? If so, I would say it doesn't like being able to feel the rider. If not, perhaps she has it pulled too far forward and it's pinching the withers. I am not sure if he will buck bare back, I haven't been around when or if she has ridden him bareback, I am kinda leaning toward maybe the closer contact of the treeless, just hard to figure
How is your friends horse built? I know that the swells/pommel can be a bit tight in the withers if her horse is built heavy so it could be pinching some and causing him to buck, or could not like the close contact feel of the rider. I custom a BM barrel saddle with a trail pommel so that it would be wider for my heavy built gelding. |
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Location: Texas | He is a stocky built guy, has a long back the treeless she has is one of the wide fit
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kickincans - 2015-04-30 10:55 PM He is a stocky built guy, has a long back the treeless she has is one of the wide fit Once I tryed a barrel pad that was stiffer then I liked but it was suppose to be the best pad out there, this was like 20 years ago, anyway got one to use, it was a banana pad that a roper put out, well was way to stiff and my sweet boy would buck when I used that pad, changed pads no more bucking.
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Location: Texas | I will tell her to try a different pad, heck it's not going to hurt to try |
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Location: Desert Land | I had a gelding with would NOT tolerate a treeless. He humped up with just the saddle on - no rider. |
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Location: Texas | Well my opinion was that she just go back to her other saddle
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Sock Snob
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| A old saddle trader told me that if you are heavy and and not a real good rider you could sore a horse with a bob marshall. But if you not a good rider ypu can sore a horse up in the back as a tree will dissapate the pressure from hitting your horses back and the treeless will not. I dont know as i have ridden in treeless for years and never sored one up, i had a horse who was sore and after many visits from the vet couldnot really figure out what was going on he would only ride in a treeless. We eventually found put what was wrong he had a low level of epm. He was bronchy and if i rode him he was sore. |
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Location: Texas | She is not heavy probably 140-145, and she can ride, the horse she's riding is a nice horse that can clock usually 1d / 2d
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kickincans - 2015-05-02 6:20 PM Well my opinion was that she just go back to her other saddle
Did her horse buck with her other saddle? |
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Location: Texas | No, and he didn't buck with the treeless for a couple of months |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Have you checked the pad..... I ride with a 5star and treeless and had one of mine start setting back when I saddled couldn't figure it out he had always rode great with the treeless finally started thinking how old my pad was they are recommend 2000 rides well I changed to one of my new pads problem solved.
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