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| Did an xray on a gelding of mine to check on an abscess that happened to be taking long enough to make me uncomfortable. Anywho, abscess is fine, normal and improving BUT the coffin bone that showed up was wow. I am looking for something to help improve bone density.
I like the thought of Cal Density but the horse eats alfalfa everyday (high in cal). Would it hurt to try it?
I know about Equibone... It's just really expensive. I also thought about looking into smartpak to see what they have.
Opinions?
I'm going to add the horse has not shown any lameness due to the coffin. He also does not respond to hoof testers anywhere but the abscess.
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| There is an intravenous drug class specifically for increasing bone density. Used a lot in humans for osteoporosis |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Look into Osphos. |
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| My vet recommended OCD for a fracture line that showed up on an x-Ray. I thought it was priced reasonably. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | What did your veterinarian say about the radiograph? Is it a true osteopenia (loss of bone density) or does the bone look fuzzy indicating something like an osteomyelitis or pedal osteitis secondary to the abscess?
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| Good Mornin yall. My first thought was osphos. My vet says that due to the fact that it was made specifically for the navicular bone it would be a shot in the dark for $200 to see if it worked. I'm almost tempted to take the shot anyways lol.
My surgeon did not believe what's going on with his coffin bone has anything to do with the abscess. I'm skeptical but going with what he believes. He has 40 years on me and works on bone for a living.
The xray shows loss of bone density. It's not as defined and solid-looking as the rest. It's only the heel portion of the coffin bone.
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Location: Bandera, TX | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-04-28 8:00 AM Good Mornin yall. My first thought was osphos. My vet says that due to the fact that it was made specifically for the navicular bone it would be a shot in the dark for $200 to see if it worked. I'm almost tempted to take the shot anyways lol. My surgeon did not believe what's going on with his coffin bone has anything to do with the abscess. I'm skeptical but going with what he believes. He has 40 years on me and works on bone for a living. The xray shows loss of bone density. It's not as defined and solid-looking as the rest. It's only the heel portion of the coffin bone. Thanks yall.
My mare had a lot of things wrong with her over the past year. One problem was pain in both points of the hip and general body soreness. We did a bone scan, etc.... A&M suggested Osphos for her bone soreness - this horse does NOT have a navicular (one of the few things she didn't have!). She got the shot at Christmas. She is fine now when I palpate her back etc. I'm just now bringing her back to ride, very very slowly. I hope it will hold once she is back on her job.
I think at $200 it was a bragain.... (after I wrote the check for the bone scan and follow on diagnostics pretty much everything seemed cheap)  |
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Location: South MS | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-04-27 6:46 PM Did an xray on a gelding of mine to check on an abscess that happened to be taking long enough to make me uncomfortable. Anywho, abscess is fine, normal and improving BUT the coffin bone that showed up was wow. I am looking for something to help improve bone density.
I like the thought of Cal Density but the horse eats alfalfa everyday (high in cal). Would it hurt to try it?
I know about Equibone... It's just really expensive. I also thought about looking into smartpak to see what they have.
Opinions?
I'm going to add the horse has not shown any lameness due to the coffin. He also does not respond to hoof testers anywhere but the abscess.
My vet recommended this when my gelding fractured his splint bone
http://www.platinumperformance.com/Equine-Osteon0153/productinfo/EOSTP10/ |
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| I might still do the osphos. I'm interested in this osteon by platinum. Anyone else use it? |
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| We used the Osteon supplement by platinum and did not get very good results.
My vet recommended this and we tried it because it has a guarantee so if it didn't work we could get our money back.
http://www.docsproductsinc.com/ocd-pellets.html
Now he hasn't been nearly as sore on super hard ground like he was before we have a new scan being done in a couple weeks but he feels better overall. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-04-28 8:00 AM
Good Mornin yall. My first thought was osphos. My vet says that due to the fact that it was made specifically for the navicular bone it would be a shot in the dark for $200 to see if it worked. I'm almost tempted to take the shot anyways lol.
My surgeon did not believe what's going on with his coffin bone has anything to do with the abscess. I'm skeptical but going with what he believes. He has 40 years on me and works on bone for a living.
The xray shows loss of bone density. It's not as defined and solid-looking as the rest. It's only the heel portion of the coffin bone.
Thanks yall.
If it is in the heel area I would find the cause, contracted heel, not landing heel first, and I would soak the foot in iodine for a week take another xray to ensure the infection did not track up to the coffin. The iodine glows on xrays showing all the dead tissue, holes, bacterial pockets |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-04-28 12:29 PM
RoaniePonie11 - 2015-04-28 8:00 AM
Good Mornin yall. My first thought was osphos. My vet says that due to the fact that it was made specifically for the navicular bone it would be a shot in the dark for $200 to see if it worked. I'm almost tempted to take the shot anyways lol.
My surgeon did not believe what's going on with his coffin bone has anything to do with the abscess. I'm skeptical but going with what he believes. He has 40 years on me and works on bone for a living.
The xray shows loss of bone density. It's not as defined and solid-looking as the rest. It's only the heel portion of the coffin bone.
Thanks yall.
If it is in the heel area I would find the cause, contracted heel, not landing heel first, and I would soak the foot in iodine for a week take another xray to ensure the infection did not track up to the coffin. The iodine glows on xrays showing all the dead tissue, holes, bacterial pockets
I have not seen any reason foot wise (externally) like contracted heel. Thank goodness it is not infected. We did a blood test that shows acute, immediate response and it came up 0 so no infection (serum ammoid-A). I was very worried he was on his way to septic after seeing the radiographs honestly.
I'm going to put natural balance shoes on him. He was a racehorse. He had 13 outs. I have had him since November and have been riding him the entire time. This is the first lameness. I do agree that I need to find the cause. I do wonder though if it was from the wear and tear of the track. Most of those horses have no heel. He had been off the track about a year when I got him. His feet looked great accept for lack of frog. Now he has good frog in all but this foot and it really does look much improved.
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Location: rabbit run | EmtRoper - 2015-04-28 11:27 AM We used the Osteon supplement by platinum and did not get very good results. My vet recommended this and we tried it because it has a guarantee so if it didn't work we could get our money back. http://www.docsproductsinc.com/ocd-pellets.html Now he hasn't been nearly as sore on super hard ground like he was before we have a new scan being done in a couple weeks but he feels better overall.
I used this as well on my 4 year old which was showing some soreness last year on hard ground. She is sound as she can be this spring.
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Location: Abbotsford B.C. Canada | Go with vets advice for sure but just an observation that you mention feeding lots of alfalfa and maybe you should get your feed company 's nutritionist to review your diet as you may have so much calcium it is tying up the phos in the diet . I think if you add more calcium and phos on top it may create an issue down the road where the extra phos may bind magnesium and some of the cal phos may simply bind together in the gut and now you have uroliths slowly forming in the digestive tract and eventually causing problems.
Also the diet may need some Vitamin D since winters especially in confinement "MAY LIMIT " the amount fo vitamin D 3 available (debated by the experts) and the nutritionist can look at that for you. Poor bone may also come from a horse not putting wieght on the bone for various reasons not to mention inflammation and other issues.
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Vitamin A, magnesium and copper and good protein /amino acids also are involved so a look at the diet may help. The ration could be out of line on ratio of calcium to phos if a lot of alfalfa is fed. Older horses can tolerate some higher calcium to phos if phos is met but it does not hurt to get some help lining up the numbers . Bone is about 2.15 to 1 ratio calcium to phos and the alfalfa may be 7 to one .
There is also the effect of very high calcium on the parathyroid hormone such that it shuts down that function so a horse doing hard work cannot mobilize bone for blood calcium quickly. A horse needs that available calcium in the blood for good muscle function and so on as per endurance horses getting thumps on high calcium diets when racing or muscle issues etc.
Just a thought. I am sure your feed comapny has an expert to help you in this regard and she can pass the info to you and your vet.
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-04-28 9:00 AM
Good Mornin yall. My first thought was osphos. My vet says that due to the fact that it was made specifically for the navicular bone it would be a shot in the dark for $200 to see if it worked. I'm almost tempted to take the shot anyways lol.
My surgeon did not believe what's going on with his coffin bone has anything to do with the abscess. I'm skeptical but going with what he believes. He has 40 years on me and works on bone for a living.
The xray shows loss of bone density. It's not as defined and solid-looking as the rest. It's only the heel portion of the coffin bone.
Thanks yall.
Osphos will help any bone issue. It will eventually be preventative maintenance we all use like adequan.
ETA its like the fountain of youth for an older horse. Once the 60 days are up you better be ready to hold to whatever you gave it to!
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