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Location: Peach State | So I'm getting ready to take my older (17) yr old barrel horse to Auburn university next week to have a trach wash/ scope because he has been making a wheezing sound for the last year, drags his head now while I'm riding sometimes and has bled out his nose 2x after runs recently. I'm 99% sure he's a bleeder. What are some therapies that have worked well for y'all's bleeders. I'm not really wanting to do lasix bc he's older, I like the idea of nebulizers but not sure what's out there for long term care to keep him from bleeding.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | for starters, they should have 6 weeks min off after a bleed as well as a round of antibiotics....bleeders have to be kept in really good shape and lasix is still your best bet, bleeding (in most cases)is not a career killer they just have to be managed...........
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| mruggles - 2015-05-07 12:49 PM
for starters, they should have 6 weeks min off after a bleed as well as a round of antibiotics....bleeders have to be kept in really good shape and lasix is still your best bet, bleeding (in most cases)is not a career killer they just have to be managed...........
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that's good advice.
Sounds like your bleeder now has an infection.
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| Ditto, I have a bleeder and have had no success with any preventative supplements. I run him on 2 1/2 cc of lasix 2 hours out, he has never bled through on this amount. I give all my horses vitamin c and k- which is suppose to help bleeders.
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| I hate to be mean but he should have been at the vet the first time you saw blood out his nose or heard him cough. You should have been using lasix since you visibly saw blood on the outside. If you see blood outside they have it in as well. From your post he might be done and I don't want to scare you but he probably has scaring from the bleeding, which is the wheezing sound your hearing. Please get him to a vet ASAP it is going to take some very expensive antibiotics to get his lungs cleaned out. Do not think about running him or any exercise he could bleed out on you at any time if he is as bad as he sounds in your post.
I'd find someone with an equip-resp or a flexinub you could use with your meds to make them more effective, the vet (if its a good performance vet) will probably talk about all of this with you. |
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Location: Great Places Great Faces | Lasix is the best and only treatment.. have your vet show you.. it's good to know for the future also  |
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Location: Peach State | astreakinchic - 2015-05-07 3:02 PM
I hate to be mean but he should have been at the vet the first time you saw blood out his nose or heard him cough. You should have been using lasix since you visibly saw blood on the outside. If you see blood outside they have it in as well. From your post he might be done and I don't want to scare you but he probably has scaring from the bleeding, which is the wheezing sound your hearing. Please get him to a vet ASAP it is going to take some very expensive antibiotics to get his lungs cleaned out. Do not think about running him or any exercise he could bleed out on you at any time if he is as bad as he sounds in your post.
I'd find someone with an equip-resp or a flexinub you could use with your meds to make them more effective, the vet (if its a good performance vet) will probably talk about all of this with you.
He was seen by the vet last week (the first incident) since it was a very small amount just out one side he wasn't sure what caused it which was when the appointment was made for him to be scoped. However when I called the university they told me he needed to be ran within a week of his appointment. |
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| RunninOnARooster - 2015-05-07 5:02 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-05-07 3:02 PM
I hate to be mean but he should have been at the vet the first time you saw blood out his nose or heard him cough. You should have been using lasix since you visibly saw blood on the outside. If you see blood outside they have it in as well. From your post he might be done and I don't want to scare you but he probably has scaring from the bleeding, which is the wheezing sound your hearing. Please get him to a vet ASAP it is going to take some very expensive antibiotics to get his lungs cleaned out. Do not think about running him or any exercise he could bleed out on you at any time if he is as bad as he sounds in your post.
I'd find someone with an equip-resp or a flexinub you could use with your meds to make them more effective, the vet (if its a good performance vet) will probably talk about all of this with you.
He was seen by the vet last week (the first incident ) since it was a very small amount just out one side he wasn't sure what caused it which was when the appointment was made for him to be scoped. However when I called the university they told me he needed to be ran within a week of his appointment.
I dunno why I vet would ever say run within a week, but all vets are not created equal and some have very little training on the performance side of things.
They will need you to exercise him right before they scope him. Most universities have a treadmill set up for this.
Did you vet not put him on antibiotics after a bled? |
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Location: Peach State | astreakinchic - 2015-05-07 5:10 PM
RunninOnARooster - 2015-05-07 5:02 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-05-07 3:02 PM
I hate to be mean but he should have been at the vet the first time you saw blood out his nose or heard him cough. You should have been using lasix since you visibly saw blood on the outside. If you see blood outside they have it in as well. From your post he might be done and I don't want to scare you but he probably has scaring from the bleeding, which is the wheezing sound your hearing. Please get him to a vet ASAP it is going to take some very expensive antibiotics to get his lungs cleaned out. Do not think about running him or any exercise he could bleed out on you at any time if he is as bad as he sounds in your post.
I'd find someone with an equip-resp or a flexinub you could use with your meds to make them more effective, the vet (if its a good performance vet) will probably talk about all of this with you.
He was seen by the vet last week (the first incident ) since it was a very small amount just out one side he wasn't sure what caused it which was when the appointment was made for him to be scoped. However when I called the university they told me he needed to be ran within a week of his appointment.
I dunno why I vet would ever say run within a week, but all vets are not created equal and some have very little training on the performance side of things.
They will need you to exercise him right before they scope him. Most universities have a treadmill set up for this.
Did you vet not put him on antibiotics after a bled?
Nope no antibiotics just recommended albuterol....
You now see why I'm just going straight to a university instead of using this vet any further lol. |
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Location: Crowder, OK | If you ever see blood, have a horse cough after a run or heave after a run...chances are even if you didnt see it, they still bled........some vets are better w/bleeders than others, I would most def be finding me a vet that does more performance horses and is more keen on bleeders...people just do NOT realize how detrimental bleeding can be to a horse's career! Lasix is not near as scary as people think....especially if you know to give the proper electrolytes along w/it. IMO lasix is a far cry safer and less dangerous than a horse bleeding. even a trickle of blood inside can cause major infection and scarring of the lungs. you get lungs scarred enough than your horse no longer has the air capacity he used to have and isnt as fast. honestly, there are alot more bleeders out there than people even realize because they never see it. we ask so much of our horses these days, especially when we run in the heat, deep ground, or big huge runs...chances are even a non bleeder can bleed at certian times.......I feel most bleeders are prob allergy related, i know my horse is.........after scopes and cultures to find out what bacterias were causing our probs, we learned they were all air born allergins, had an allergy test done and there you go, hes allergic to everything! espcially what i was feeding him! allergy shots and the test are not that expensive....the nebulizer machines works wonders on these horses, they have helped him tremendously! but will i ever attempt to run w/o lasix???? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that a chance i will never take!
I hope you get your horse lined out........bleeding is a frustrating ordeal and can be very confusing to learn on, but im just gonna suggest that you get a good vet that has lots of knowledge in that dept because its gonna be better for your horse...and Im not bad mouthing your vet what so ever, please dont think that, im just saying they are like any other specialist....some are just more knowledgeable than others on certian things.....any horse that bled should be on antibiotics for at least two wks to thirty days. i would try to find out why hes bleeding and then treat the source. I feel you will have much more success. dont be scared your horse is bleeding, once you find out why and how to address it, its really no big deal and more than likely your horse will run better than he has in a long time. most of the time, none of us even realize our horses are bleeding until they already have before.....when we finally do see it, they have more than likely already done it and we didnt know it, but just getting on top of it, will be good and you will have your horse back better than ever!!!!!!!!!!! good luck, wish you the best!!!!!!! |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | The horse needs atleast 6-8 weeks off for the capillaries to heal. THE Pulmon-EZ has worked really well for my friends horse. She leaves him on it constantly and doesn't use the special blend of it. Doesn't want to chance it. She switched because she didn't like sticking him all the time and he was becoming super bad with shots. Both are much happier and less stressful at events. Good luck! |
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Location: South MS | I have a BAD bleeder, I exercise him 5x per week for 45 minutes to hour of hard breathing and walking, I give kentucky red and lasix
Before I started kentucky red with lasix - I couldnt stop the bleeding - he would have a bleed, be on antibiotics and off 3 weeks hard riding then start back easy
I finally gave him 3 months off and with lasix and kentucky red he hasnt bled since - mine had to go through 3 rounds of antibiotics and scoping before his lungs are clear
Rest him and scope to make sure he is ready to start back! |
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Location: Northwest | So far I have had very good luck with SLH's Nolasix on my one horse who bleeds. |
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