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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2015-06-29 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.


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MOGirl07 - 2015-06-29 7:13 PM

foundation horse - 2015-06-29 6:58 PM

MOGirl07 - 2015-06-29 3:42 PM

streakysox - 2015-06-29 10:33 AM

Bear - 2015-06-29 10:27 AM

So what about today? There's rumblings about states secceeding, like Texas for example. How can a state go about seccession from the union? What's to prevent them? How would the U.S. government react?

The more I think about it, the more I realize it will never happen, actually.

TEXAS is the only state that can legally secede from the US because it was a nation before it was a state.


I might add that if TEXAS took the land back that it had as a Republic, it would include a large part of New Mexico and a strip that runs through the OK panhandle into Kansas. TEXAS had to relinquish its land above the Mason Dixon Line, which I think is the 32nd parallel in order to bea slave holding state.

I never knew that! Learning lots of things from this thread!

Texas is also the only State that were it to do so, upon division would be five (5) different states!

What?! I wanna see a graphic of what it would look like!

I have not seen the graphic, but heard this verbally on Sean Hannity years ago (Radio Program) from Dick Cheney's Wife Lynn.
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jbhoot
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2015-06-29 7:53 PM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.



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foundation horse - 2015-06-29 7:25 PM

MOGirl07 - 2015-06-29 7:13 PM

foundation horse - 2015-06-29 6:58 PM

MOGirl07 - 2015-06-29 3:42 PM

streakysox - 2015-06-29 10:33 AM

Bear - 2015-06-29 10:27 AM

So what about today? There's rumblings about states secceeding, like Texas for example. How can a state go about seccession from the union? What's to prevent them? How would the U.S. government react?

The more I think about it, the more I realize it will never happen, actually.

TEXAS is the only state that can legally secede from the US because it was a nation before it was a state.


I might add that if TEXAS took the land back that it had as a Republic, it would include a large part of New Mexico and a strip that runs through the OK panhandle into Kansas. TEXAS had to relinquish its land above the Mason Dixon Line, which I think is the 32nd parallel in order to bea slave holding state.

I never knew that! Learning lots of things from this thread!

Texas is also the only State that were it to do so, upon division would be five (5) different states!

What?! I wanna see a graphic of what it would look like!

I have not seen the graphic, but heard this verbally on Sean Hannity years ago (Radio Program) from Dick Cheney's Wife Lynn.

I looked this up a couple years back. Texas can split into five states IF the voters of Texas and the 2/3 of the other states approve. I have never seen a map of a proposal thou.
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-06-29 11:12 PM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.



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foundation horse - 2015-06-27 11:20 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-27 11:07 PM
streakysox - 2015-06-27 5:16 PM I have done extensive genealogy and though most of my ancestors were from the South, the only ones who owned slaves lived in Connecticut. The men who fought from the South were volunteers, a very few were conscripted (drafted). Almost all of the men who served from the North were conscripted. It does not matter what the issues were that caused the war, the North would have an army. As for the people who are wanting to change history,their argument about the flag is totally incorrect. The flag they are protesting, only represented a very small number of Southern soldiers. Google 1st National, 2nd National, and 3rd national flags of the Confederacy. It is easy to see that someone has not been taught correctly or has formed their own opinion. Look up the speech from the black congressman who spoke in favor of adopting the Mississippi state flag.(I can't cut and paste on my tablet). It is a good rêead. You cannot change history. You cannot leave out the parts that you don't like. Our history is what has made us what we are no matter what color our skin is. One last thing about the Sons of Confederate Veterans, it is an organization that strives to preserve the history of the Civil War. Many of the men are involved in the reenactments but many are not. It is a genealogy and religious organization. I got my husband in it and have helped several others to become members. I am a proud member of United Daughters of the Confederacy which is also a genealogy and religious organization. As for Gone With the Wind, have any of you seen the movies Next Friday or Friday After Next (I believe those are the names)? Those are the most demeaning movies to the black race that I have ever seen in my life. Blacks seem to think they are pretty funny. Now we are going to have to change the names of our horses such as Confederate Leader so we do not offend anyone.
My son's farm is Rebel Farms. He is a southern boy thru and thru; he is very proud of his HERITAGE not HATRED. He flies a Confederate flag on his ponds. His gf is a barrel racer, and she asked me last night what would happen when she's hauling her horses in a trailer with Rebel Farms on the side? Would someone hurt her horses or her or run over her trailer. . . . I told her at this point I have no answer for that. And that's simply awful to have to tell a young girl she might not be safe because of the stupidity going on right now.
Suggest going armed and be prepared to defend herself and her horses.
Trust me when I say she could handle the "being armed" part!! Laura would protect her horses to the end. And Lord help them if he's hauling with her. . . I sent your "myth and fact" post to Chandler. He said "she sure knows her stuff"!! As I posted before, he knew more on this----the truth----than I did. He had already told me several of the things you listed that I was totally wrong on.

 I'm picturing hauling that trailer through Crime Bluff, and it ain't pretty. 

I hate to admit how slow I am sometimes---it took me til on the way to work this am to have my "aha" moment and realize what Crime Bluff was!!!
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-06-29 11:18 PM
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cruise - 2015-06-29 8:21 AM

 Speaking of Ft. Sumter ---- erasing histroy - I have a huge problem with erasing histroy - good or bad http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150628/PC16/150629493/fort-sumter-furls-its-confederate-flags-probably-forever

I'm just at a loss. . . .
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-06-29 11:24 PM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.



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streakysox - 2015-06-29 9:49 AM

Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-28 11:08 PM

streakysox - 2015-06-28 8:08 PM

Just for curiosity, has anyone ever heard of Melrose Plantation near Natchitoches LA? It was owned by a free woman of color who owned quite a few slaves. Her plantation was actually given to her by her owner who was the father of her children. Her descendants still own it today. I bet most people in the US know very little about her. Bet most people would like to forget that part of history too.

My mother took me on a trip years ago to tour the plantations in that area. (Think it was called The Pilgrimage??) We did go to Melrose Plantation, but I don't remember learning this info. Thanks for the lesson! I'm amazed at what I'm learning from this thread.

There is a home in Natchez MS that is named Melrose. It is actually a town house because it was in town. Ironically, it is now owned by the federal government as it is a national park. The Melrose in Natchitoches LA is not the same place and is still owned by Metoyers who are descendants of the original owner. I looked for information about Marie Coincoin owning slaves and the only site that had much information seemed to have a virus!

Well imagine that, StreakySox---a virus on a site that might include inflammatory material in favor of some of that Southern TRUE history. . . . And I do remember it was Natchez. I sure did enjoy those trips and seeing those beautiful homes.


Edited by Chandler's Mom 2015-06-29 11:33 PM
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cruise
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2015-06-30 6:01 AM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.



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 I am very afraid that what the evil person that murdered the 9 is going to accomplishment what he sat out to do. The pot is boiling. I hope it doesn't boil over. The debate to remove the flag will take place next week. http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/29437068/scdps-man-arrested-at-sta...
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-07-02 3:40 AM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.



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cruise - 2015-06-30 6:01 AM

 I am very afraid that what the evil person that murdered the 9 is going to accomplishment what he sat out to do. The pot is boiling. I hope it doesn't boil over. The debate to remove the flag will take place next week. http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/29437068/scdps-man-arrested-at-sta...
There are such far reaching ripples from this now, I don't think the pot is just boiling, I think it's on fire. . .
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streakysox
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2015-07-02 4:05 AM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.



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I have a question that has been bothering me. The people who were killed were older people for the most part. This was predominately a black church. Didn't anyone notice that sitting in the midst of everyone there was this young white pipsqueak? My black friends tell me that they can tell pretty quick if a white person does not like them. They could not see this? I think he just decided to go kill someone and these older people were such an easy target that would not resist.
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komet.
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2015-07-02 4:10 AM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.



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streakysox - 2015-07-02 4:05 AM

I have a question that has been bothering me. The people who were killed were older people for the most part. This was predominately a black church. Didn't anyone notice that sitting in the midst of everyone there was this young white pipsqueak? My black friends tell me that they can tell pretty quick if a white person does not like them. They could not see this? I think he just decided to go kill someone and these older people were such an easy target that would not resist.

I'm sorry... Does the church you attend have age and color requirements?
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cruise
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2015-07-02 5:47 AM
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney calls for SC to remove Confederate flag at state house.



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streakysox - 2015-07-02 5:05 AM

I have a question that has been bothering me. The people who were killed were older people for the most part. This was predominately a black church. Didn't anyone notice that sitting in the midst of everyone there was this young white pipsqueak? My black friends tell me that they can tell pretty quick if a white person does not like them. They could not see this? I think he just decided to go kill someone and these older people were such an easy target that would not resist.

My thoughts - the person responsible for their murders was acting alone. I seriously doubt he any real ties to white supremacist groups. He had researched this church. He knew the Bible study was being held - even though it was held much later on this night than usual due to another event at the church. A chilling thing that this person admitted was that after sitting in the Bible study he almost changed his mind. I think the dear souls were true believers and would welcome anyone in the church for opportunity to reach them. There are so many visitors to Charleston I think people have attended events at this church before that had never been there before. Based on the reactions from family members at the hearing these people had unshakable belief and would question no one that they thought may be a lost soul. In the last moments of their lives they were living for Christ. I believe everything happens for a reason. I don't think the full reason for this has been recognized. I think the leaders of this state and others in the south should be on their knees asking for guidance instead of jerking their knees and creating more of a devide. Charleston set a wonderful example to the world in the way they responded. Unfortunately the ripples of this horrible crime are what is receiving the most attention. Yes, most were older and that may well be why he chose the Bible study instead of a Sunday morning service.




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