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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 12:19 PM Bear - 2015-09-04 10:54 AM The nebulizers we use in hospitals don't have filters, because everything is disposable. Like someone suggested, home nebulizers have filters, I think. The disposable nebulizers here basically consist of a reservoir and tubing, and the cost to the hospital is 58 CENTS. Hospitals use the existing oxygen delivery systems, so no air compressor is needed. If you buy a home nebulizer at a drug store, it costs about $50-60, or less, and that includes the little air compressor itself. I would be concerned about buying a nebulizer treatment at a show, for the reasons Alison stated. I'm pretty sure a person can put together a nebulizer for horses for pocket change, compared to these contraptions, but I haven't seriously considered it. It's not rocket science. The idea is to aerosolize saline/medication by blowing air through it, basically creating a mist. You ought to be able to fashion a mask to place over the horse's muzzle with a plastic gallon milk carton. In fact that's what some people do. Albuterol itself isn't very expensive. Again, my question with regard to the colloidal silver is, how do we know it is no more effective than just nebulizing saline alone? Can anyone answer that? One of my concerns with this product is that it is not a closed air compressor... it is a hardware style air compressor that likely is manufactured without the intention to be used on live animals. Most air compressors are used as a tool for painting, power washing, etc.
This appears to be the exact unit in the Equi-Resp pro kit: http://www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/sptcaico1.html
How could one ensure they were not blowing barn dust or contagions into the mask? It seems to be open to the air. Dust or bacteria could settle inside this machine and grow if it were say, sitting in a barn. I also don't see a good way to be able to disinfect this machine.
This is the picture of the Equi-Resp "Pro kit"
Hopefully the pictures help to explain my concerns. ETA- that this is not a "closed" system.
I think you'd need to use an oxygen concentrator to limit exposure to dust and outside particles. This is just compressed air, but with that thought, the horse would already be inhaling those particles although I'm not sure what kind of psi this thing would be pushing air into the horse, I would imagine it's simply a soft mist? I don't have a medical or engineering background though so take my comments with a grain of salt as I'm not involved in the design of our human resp. products.
Regardless, I still wouldn't want to do it at a show as I would assume (maybe I'm wrong?) that they are sharing a neb mask. That's the part that would concern me. If the masks are disposable then I likely wouldn't be as concerned.
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Location: Midwest | The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building). |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:21 PM The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building).
Wow - okay I missed that price of that if it was posted earlier, profit margin much? I realize it's not exactly the same size and design of the human masks...but I do know what the human ones cost to manufacture..so again, wow! Maybe they should consider a disposable mask?
That's a good point if mold or dust has become overly concentrated on the compressor or tubing or mask. And definitely a barn/show atmoshpere has more contaminants than a home use neb or hospital use in that regards. |
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| When someone is talking about a disposable mask they are more than likely referring to the Silver Horse Care mask as it is $45. Equiresp masks are $250. |
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| Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2015-09-04 1:43 PM
barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:21 PM The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.Â
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building). Â
Wow - okay I missed that price of that if it was posted earlier, profit margin much?  I realize it's not exactly the same size and design of the human masks...but I do know what the human ones cost to manufacture..so again, wow! Maybe they should consider a disposable mask? That's a good point if mold or dust has become overly concentrated on the compressor or tubing or mask. And definitely a barn/show atmoshpere has more contaminants than a home use neb or hospital use in that regards. Â
There is a disposable mask by Silver Horse Care. They worked with veterinarians before manufacturing and by vet request, a disposable mask is much more sanitary and easier to clean as there is no bacteria trap across the top of the mask. It is all one simple plastic material with straps. Also, one could afford 5 masks from them (one for each horse to keep from cross contaminating) as opposed to one $250 from Equiresp. The only point of the mask is to channel the air flow, so it would be ignorant to pay $250 to do so. |
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Location: Midwest | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2015-09-04 1:43 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:21 PM The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building). Wow - okay I missed that price of that if it was posted earlier, profit margin much? I realize it's not exactly the same size and design of the human masks...but I do know what the human ones cost to manufacture..so again, wow! Maybe they should consider a disposable mask?
That's a good point if mold or dust has become overly concentrated on the compressor or tubing or mask. And definitely a barn/show atmoshpere has more contaminants than a home use neb or hospital use in that regards.
I didn't post it. It is included in the kit- but that is the price of purchasing a single mask as an accessory. http://www.equiresp.com/shop/accessories/mask/ |
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Location: NE Texas | Everyone who has a horse with breathing issues would be better off to try and treat the source of the inflammatory response to eliminate the product of the mucous, phlegm, and respiratory (and other inflammatory) responses. It can be done, I have been able to do this with my horse when 4 vets couldn't figure out which direction to go, one of which advised me to put him down. He had been treated with a nebulizer while out of my care. Worst case of respiratory distress i've ever seen. He also exceeded the maximum dosage of ventipulmin and dex with no improvement during this time as well. Sick, sick horse who vets had no clue how to treat. Much thanks to Dr. Schell at Nouvelle Research and the Cur-OST product, I had a horse who was once written a death certificate who is now back and running. After spending years band-aiding these issues and spending literally thousands at the vet from November to March this past winter, I finally have a healthy horse and have treated the source, not to mention eliminated ulcers, both fore and hind gut, eliminated all other supplements, and am no longer having to feed large portions of grain to keep weight on him. Cur-OST and Dr. Schell have been a miracle for my horse and is now a vital part of my program. This is truly the best thing I have ever done for my program, and I would encourage everyone who has a horse with ANY inflammatory issue from chronic lamenesses, to respiratory issues, to GI issues, etc to contact Dr. Schell and explore these options....there IS a better way! I consult with Dr. Schell on issues prior to consulting my local performance horse vets who've treated my horses for years. I'll attach pictures of my horse. First pic is March 24th and the second pic is April 25th.
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| So what are the differences between the Equi-Resp or Silver Horse Care (One I'm going to buy) and say this one from Big Dee's? (leading supplier for harness racing and racing in general)
http://www.bigdweb.com/Nebulizer-Unit-Complete/productinfo/9978/
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Location: ARKANSAS | The little air compressor someone posted earlier that the airbrush companies sells IS the same air compressor they use, they just take the little regulator off the end of and replace the regulator with an end that the tube will fit over.This end can be purchased at any parts store for just a few dollars. The Little air compressor ia 75.00. YES We have bought the high priced one first!! one for the horses, and my husband uses one for his ashtma and other breathing problems....it has REALLY HELPED both!!! My husband swaps out the solution sometimes with just use a sterile saline solution, then will go back to the collidial silver. same with the horses...this treatment has helped them both!!! Yes Cleaning the Equip is vital!!! The one my husband uses stays in our house...the one the horses uses stays in the sealed box it came in after it is cleaned and put away for next time. the breathing are also easy to clean.Simply put them in a white vinegar and water solution and let them soak and rinse thouroughly!!!! |
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| Herbie - 2015-09-04 12:40 PM
Everyone who has a horse with breathing issues would be better off to try and treat the source of the inflammatory response to eliminate the product of the mucous, phlegm, and respiratory (and other inflammatory) responses. It can be done, I have been able to do this with my horse when 4 vets couldn't figure out which direction to go, one of which advised me to put him down. He had been treated with a nebulizer while out of my care. Worst case of respiratory distress i've ever seen. He also exceeded the maximum dosage of ventipulmin and dex with no improvement during this time as well. Sick, sick horse who vets had no clue how to treat. Much thanks to Dr. Schell at Nouvelle Research and the Cur-OST product, I had a horse who was once written a death certificate who is now back and running. After spending years band-aiding these issues and spending literally thousands at the vet from November to March this past winter, I finally have a healthy horse and have treated the source, not to mention eliminated ulcers, both fore and hind gut, eliminated all other supplements, and am no longer having to feed large portions of grain to keep weight on him. Cur-OST and Dr. Schell have been a miracle for my horse and is now a vital part of my program. This is truly the best thing I have ever done for my program, and I would encourage everyone who has a horse with ANY inflammatory issue from chronic lamenesses, to respiratory issues, to GI issues, etc to contact Dr. Schell and explore these options....there IS a better way! I consult with Dr. Schell on issues prior to consulting my local performance horse vets who've treated my horses for years. I'll attach pictures of my horse. First pic is March 24th and the second pic is April 25th.Â
I 100000% agree here. Why not treat the reason your horse needs the nebulizer in the first place! There has to be a reason the horse can't breathe to begin with. I battled COPD and heaves in my horse for years. He would cough the entire time we rode and after runs. He was on previcox daily for inflammation control and vrntipulman when he ran. He has been on curost total support for about 45 days now but was cough free and clocking after 2 weeks on curost. |
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| Therein lies the problem....Your horse would be ineligible to Compete at AQHA Shows or Run at Major Race Tracks because of those drugs. The Silver Treatments offer a Safe and Effective means for promoting Lung Health in horses. It doesn't claim to be the "Cure All" treatment, but when races are being decided by .001, making the difference between thousands of dollars, Nebulizing with Colloidal Silver is an viable alternative to consider. I'm having great results \ at Los Alamitos Race Track using Silver Horse Care!
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| OK. So I just calculated all of the necessary supplies (I will include a list) and also have shipping and tax calculated along with a compressor and it comes out to $383.47 in total! That is with a mix of Equi-Resp products and Silver Horse Care products. My personal opinion is that the Silver horse care is VERY reasonable priced because as a company, they need to make a profit margin and I'm ok with that. The Pro Model for Equi-Resp is a little ridiculous though. Here goes:
-$10 for 2 Medicine cups and 7" tubing. (Equi-resp store)
-$5 for Air filters (Equi-Resp store)
-$23.36 for 4 tubes of 14" Tubing (SHC Store)
-$1.85 for Syringe (SHC Store)
-$45 for Horse mask (SHC Store)
-$18 Human mask and tubing (SHC Store)
-$10 Disinfectant (Equi-Resp Store)
-$28 for 1 bottle of Silver (Equi-Resp store)
-$229.95 for TC-2000 Airbrush Compressor (Chicago Airbrush Supply Store)
For a grand total of $383.47 and that's with shipping from both stores and tax. Not bad! I'll also need to replace the regulator to fit the compressor and the mask but that will probably only be a couple of bucks at the hardware store. I picked these items because its what I want for my horse and I also wanted a mask but you guys can add or take away whatever you would like! Anyone see any mistakes I made product wise or tips? |
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Location: Southern Indiana | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:05 PM Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2015-09-04 1:43 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:21 PM The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building). Wow - okay I missed that price of that if it was posted earlier, profit margin much? I realize it's not exactly the same size and design of the human masks...but I do know what the human ones cost to manufacture..so again, wow! Maybe they should consider a disposable mask?
That's a good point if mold or dust has become overly concentrated on the compressor or tubing or mask. And definitely a barn/show atmoshpere has more contaminants than a home use neb or hospital use in that regards.
A clean milk carton with the bottom cut off is a cheap way to have a "disposable" mask. When silver horse first came out, this is what they used. Their mask didn't actually come out until about February. |
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| Plus you could always buy one from Silver Horse care or Dig Dees for cheaper |
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