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| Looking for suggestions on things i can do to get my horse quicker in his turns with forward motion. He's not finished...i could probably enter him and be in the 4D (I've clocked him on the stakes). He really hustles between the barrels, but our turns feel like slow motion all around. He really pushes off after his turn cause he loves to run. :) Its just between our rate point and there. |
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Location: Illinois | I'm not really sure on some drills for that, but what do you do throughout the turn? When I hit my rate point I say whoa to him and then the moment he rates back I have to start kissing to him again like I do between barrels. I can't ever take even a second without driving him hard or he won't run at all. I'm usually more out of breath than he is after a run just from constant driving. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2015-10-01 4:44 PM I'm not really sure on some drills for that, but what do you do throughout the turn? When I hit my rate point I say whoa to him and then the moment he rates back I have to start kissing to him again like I do between barrels. I can't ever take even a second without driving him hard or he won't run at all. I'm usually more out of breath than he is after a run just from constant driving.
I sit back to rate, then squeeze with my legs and try to use my upper body to kinda rock with him. Maybe I'm not doing as much as I think I am. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Lope 20 meter circles close to a fence, every few circles change directions quickly when you get to the fence line, it not only helps to quicken their feet, it helps to immideately change leads and keep the momentum going, don't let your horse break its Gate either. Don't do it every 2 or 3, so they don't anticipate when you're going to turn, go a few more times around, or two times in a row. It will also help them use their hind end and help you stay up with them in a turn. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2015-10-01 4:44 PM
I'm not really sure on some drills for that, but what do you do throughout the turn? When I hit my rate point I say whoa to him and then the moment he rates back I have to start kissing to him again like I do between barrels. I can't ever take even a second without driving him hard or he won't run at all. I'm usually more out of breath than he is after a run just from constant driving.
Sounds like he's a push style who doesn't need to be rated, maybe stop the rate work for a while and just keep the forward motion.
I've had a few like that, that you've had to ride up into their turns and if you sat to soon, they would sit to soon. No would drive all the way up into your turn and just sit and look instead of saying whoa, but it's easier to see and do it then try to explain it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | My 2 favorite things to quicken feet are using a bat through the turn, and setting up 2 small jumps side by side--jump, roll back, and jump. That will get one turning out from under you if you do it right. |
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| He's First Down Dash & Special Effort on the top. Easily Smashed & Hempen on the bottom. What does that tell you?Can I ask the reason behind the rein length? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | iheartrodeo - 2015-10-01 11:00 PM He's First Down Dash & Special Effort on the top. Easily Smashed & Hempen on the bottom. What does that tell you?Can I ask the reason behind the rein length?
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Location: Illinois | RnRJack - 2015-10-01 8:01 PM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2015-10-01 4:44 PM
I'm not really sure on some drills for that, but what do you do throughout the turn? When I hit my rate point I say whoa to him and then the moment he rates back I have to start kissing to him again like I do between barrels. I can't ever take even a second without driving him hard or he won't run at all. I'm usually more out of breath than he is after a run just from constant driving.
Sounds like he's a push style who doesn't need to be rated, maybe stop the rate work for a while and just keep the forward motion.
I've had a few like that, that you've had to ride up into their turns and if you sat to soon, they would sit to soon. No would drive all the way up into your turn and just sit and look instead of saying whoa, but it's easier to see and do it then try to explain it.
If I don't sit and say whoa to him he goes past it to the fence. He's very particular and he is the very definition of push style, but he will run past the 1st every time if you don't sit and say whoa for that second |
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Location: Southern Indiana | Sounds like to me he needs more time and patience. Work lots of circles, big circles. Get him moving forward and freeing his stride up. Put him on the rail and bust him out a few strides, then slow him down and repeat. Most of all just keep riding him and give him time. They will eventually learn how to use their body and with that comes the speed. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-02 6:41 AM
iheartrodeo - 2015-10-01 11:00 PM He's First Down Dash & Special Effort on the top. Easily Smashed & Hempen on the bottom. What does that tell you?Can I ask the reason behind the rein length?
Don't pay any attention to him.
Thanks for looking out for me. I was seeing what else he could come up with. At the very least he could keep my thread bumped for me. ;) |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | iheartrodeo - 2015-10-02 8:30 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-02 6:41 AM iheartrodeo - 2015-10-01 11:00 PM He's First Down Dash & Special Effort on the top. Easily Smashed & Hempen on the bottom. What does that tell you?Can I ask the reason behind the rein length? Don't pay any attention to him. Thanks for looking out for me. I was seeing what else he could come up with. At the very least he could keep my thread bumped for me. ; )
Dude is always good for entertainment purposes, but he scares me at the same time. LOL |
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| I had a Special Effort gelding a few years ago and I could never get him to quicken up his feet. He loved big long pens because he didn't have to work hard or quick lol!!! Don't know how your horse is built but mine was all legs and neck, looked like a dang giraffe! Good luck I hope you find some drills that work. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | #1A (from barrelhorseusa) neck reining......where did you come up with that? Outside rein pressure keeps your horse from fading out or "throwing their face to the outside" and honestly if you have a horse that does that, that's a whole different issue. Outside rein pressure is just for added guidence, or at least how I train mine.
And you can turn your horse at the fence to change leads or directions. If your horse wants to run to the fence during your run well that's a different problem. I do a lot of fence work with my colts, especially teaching them to side pass, two track, keep the front end moving while bending etc. And im not worried about them running to the fence during a run.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | TheDutchMan01 - 2015-10-02 8:22 AM
Sounds like to me he needs more time and patience. Work lots of circles, big circles. Get him moving forward and freeing his stride up. Put him on the rail and bust him out a few strides, then slow him down and repeat. Most of all just keep riding him and give him time. They will eventually learn how to use their body and with that comes the speed.
I agree, go back to your slow work, maybe rate him just past the barrel or when his nose gets to it, don't rate to far ahead, you can rate in different spots each time.
Maybe instead of stoppimg, try loping to the barrel and when you sit make the transition to a trot instead of stopping. That will teach rate but your just breaking down a gait so he still has forward motion.
Or from a trot to a walk, just don't stop his feeg, this is still teaching rate with going forward |
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