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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 11:24 AM Now I'm a bit concerned. ... the oats I bought from my feed store is just bagged in a white feed sack.. no labels or tags. They are whole oats and look really clean. Are the oats from tsc considered safe?
You should ask where it comes from. We can get locally grown oats or corn that are cleaned and bagged in a seed cleaning facility, not a feed mill. The bags aren't labeled at all. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | TurnLane - 2015-09-30 11:11 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-30 10:49 AM Is the corn that is used to clean out the system marked as such? Would that not be an issue for the deer industry as well??? I see a lot of corn bagged/labeled as DEER CORN, yes. But I doubt the ionophores are an issue for the deer guys since deer are ruminants like cattle?
I do know of some big ranches that buy ionophore feed to kill hogs.
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Location: Beggs, OK | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-09-30 11:36 AM TurnLane - 2015-09-30 11:11 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-30 10:49 AM Is the corn that is used to clean out the system marked as such? Would that not be an issue for the deer industry as well??? I see a lot of corn bagged/labeled as DEER CORN, yes. But I doubt the ionophores are an issue for the deer guys since deer are ruminants like cattle?
I do know of some big ranches that buy ionophore feed to kill hogs.
Sheep are also ruminants and it's not safe for them, but it's safe for goats. |
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Location: Willows, CA | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-09-30 11:36 AM
TurnLane - 2015-09-30 11:11 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-30 10:49 AM Is the corn that is used to clean out the system marked as such?  Would that not be an issue for the deer industry as well??? I see a lot of corn bagged/labeled as DEER CORN, yes. But I doubt the ionophores are an issue for the deer guys since deer are ruminants like cattle?
I do know of some big ranches that buy ionophore feed to kill hogs. Â
In most mills that make medicated cattle feeds and horse feeds the protocol is this. First the medicated feed is made. The system is then flushed, usually with oats. The oats from the flush are normally then added to the batch of medicated feed. Next, a run of non-medicated feed for the same species is supposed to be run. Most mills then flush with oats again and add that back into the non-medicated run. At this point they can make equine products on that line. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | winwillows - 2015-09-30 12:55 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-09-30 11:36 AM TurnLane - 2015-09-30 11:11 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-30 10:49 AM Is the corn that is used to clean out the system marked as such? Would that not be an issue for the deer industry as well??? I see a lot of corn bagged/labeled as DEER CORN, yes. But I doubt the ionophores are an issue for the deer guys since deer are ruminants like cattle?
I do know of some big ranches that buy ionophore feed to kill hogs. In most mills that make medicated cattle feeds and horse feeds the protocol is this. First the medicated feed is made. The system is then flushed, usually with oats. The oats from the flush are normally then added to the batch of medicated feed. Next, a run of non-medicated feed for the same species is supposed to be run. Most mills then flush with oats again and add that back into the non-medicated run. At this point they can make equine products on that line.
What if the mill has no identifiable process? The batch sheets are a joke and there is no mixing order. The FDA only inspects mills that are licensed and you can produce medicated feeds without a license....It's all about levels and grades of what you are supposed to be producing, but the drugs are all the same.
Small, poorly run mills need to be Cattle Feed Only. We are supposed to be concerned about government involvement and the regulations that would be required to make this the rule, but what about the people who are running the millls and making it necessary? |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-30 11:33 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 11:24 AM Now I'm a bit concerned. ... the oats I bought from my feed store is just bagged in a white feed sack.. no labels or tags. They are whole oats and look really clean. Are the oats from tsc considered safe?
 You should ask where it comes from. We can get locally grown oats or corn that are cleaned and bagged in a seed cleaning facility, not a feed mill.  The bags aren't labeled at all.
Just talked with the manager at my feed store.. I was assured my oats have absolutely no contact with any medicated feeds. They buy them in bulk straight from the field and my feed store bags them themselves. Good to know! I feel so much better! |
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Location: Willows, CA | want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 1:54 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-30 11:33 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 11:24 AM Now I'm a bit concerned. ... the oats I bought from my feed store is just bagged in a white feed sack.. no labels or tags. They are whole oats and look really clean. Are the oats from tsc considered safe?
 You should ask where it comes from. We can get locally grown oats or corn that are cleaned and bagged in a seed cleaning facility, not a feed mill.  The bags aren't labeled at all.
Just talked with the manager at my feed store.. I was assured my oats have absolutely no contact with any medicated feeds. They buy them in bulk straight from the field and my feed store bags them themselves. Good to know! I feel so much better!
Every bag of feed is supposed to have analysis information, and contact information of who is responsible for the quality of what is inside. I don't think it is legal anywhere to just sell a bag without identification, though I know many do. The easy answer is to only feed products that someone has their name and contact information on (even if it is plain oats) and who can honestly tell you that no ingredients in that bag have ever been in a mill that does medicated feed. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | The other question that comes into play is the cleanout of the trucks that haul medicated feeds... Mills are also supposed to have separate bins for clean out material, but I can tell you for an admitted fact that there's one that didn't use theirs properly. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | winwillows - 2015-09-30 12:55 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-09-30 11:36 AM TurnLane - 2015-09-30 11:11 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-30 10:49 AM Is the corn that is used to clean out the system marked as such? Would that not be an issue for the deer industry as well??? I see a lot of corn bagged/labeled as DEER CORN, yes. But I doubt the ionophores are an issue for the deer guys since deer are ruminants like cattle?
I do know of some big ranches that buy ionophore feed to kill hogs. In most mills that make medicated cattle feeds and horse feeds the protocol is this. First the medicated feed is made. The system is then flushed, usually with oats. The oats from the flush are normally then added to the batch of medicated feed. Next, a run of non-medicated feed for the same species is supposed to be run. Most mills then flush with oats again and add that back into the non-medicated run. At this point they can make equine products on that line.
Yep, and that protocol is only as good as the worst employee at the mill. If anyone has tried to hire minimum wage employees lately then you know how scary that is, JMO. |
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Warrior Mom
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| winwillows - 2015-09-30 3:07 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 1:54 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-30 11:33 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 11:24 AM Now I'm a bit concerned. ... the oats I bought from my feed store is just bagged in a white feed sack.. no labels or tags. They are whole oats and look really clean. Are the oats from tsc considered safe?
 You should ask where it comes from. We can get locally grown oats or corn that are cleaned and bagged in a seed cleaning facility, not a feed mill.  The bags aren't labeled at all.
Just talked with the manager at my feed store.. I was assured my oats have absolutely no contact with any medicated feeds. They buy them in bulk straight from the field and my feed store bags them themselves. Good to know! I feel so much better!
Every bag of feed is supposed to have analysis information, and contact information of who is responsible for the quality of what is inside. I don't think it is legal anywhere to just sell a bag without identification, though I know many do. The easy answer is to only feed products that someone has their name and contact information on (even if it is plain oats ) and who can honestly tell you that no ingredients in that bag have ever been in a mill that does medicated feed.
Well shoot.. I had to go look back at my notes from my conversation. He said the oats are cleaned and delivered straight from the field. The only things they purchase in bulk is northern oats, corn and seed oats. And that they bag them themselves in their barn. I did think it was strange to not have any tags or anything on the bags themselves. I haven't even fed them yet. I'm not quite sure what to think right now! My only other options for oats is TSC or nutrena or from a guy who grows them locally and they aren't cleaned ... very dusty I've tried those before but I hated how dirty and dusty they were. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 4:17 PM winwillows - 2015-09-30 3:07 PM want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 1:54 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-30 11:33 AM want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 11:24 AM Now I'm a bit concerned. ... the oats I bought from my feed store is just bagged in a white feed sack.. no labels or tags. They are whole oats and look really clean. Are the oats from tsc considered safe? You should ask where it comes from. We can get locally grown oats or corn that are cleaned and bagged in a seed cleaning facility, not a feed mill. The bags aren't labeled at all. Just talked with the manager at my feed store.. I was assured my oats have absolutely no contact with any medicated feeds. They buy them in bulk straight from the field and my feed store bags them themselves. Good to know! I feel so much better! Every bag of feed is supposed to have analysis information, and contact information of who is responsible for the quality of what is inside. I don't think it is legal anywhere to just sell a bag without identification, though I know many do. The easy answer is to only feed products that someone has their name and contact information on (even if it is plain oats ) and who can honestly tell you that no ingredients in that bag have ever been in a mill that does medicated feed. Well shoot.. I had to go look back at my notes from my conversation. He said the oats are cleaned and delivered straight from the field. The only things they purchase in bulk is northern oats, corn and seed oats. And that they bag them themselves in their barn. I did think it was strange to not have any tags or anything on the bags themselves. I haven't even fed them yet. I'm not quite sure what to think right now! My only other options for oats is TSC or nutrena or from a guy who grows them locally and they aren't cleaned ... very dusty I've tried those before but I hated how dirty and dusty they were.
I don't know what the laws are. They can probably get around the tagging issue by saying they're for seed or food plots. Like I said, I can buy them from a seed cleaner and they never came close to a feed mill. Field to cleaner to bag to their warehouse. Way cleaner and better quality than anything I've ever gotten from a mill. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-30 5:14 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 4:17 PM winwillows - 2015-09-30 3:07 PM want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 1:54 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-30 11:33 AM want2chase3 - 2015-09-30 11:24 AM Now I'm a bit concerned. ... the oats I bought from my feed store is just bagged in a white feed sack.. no labels or tags. They are whole oats and look really clean. Are the oats from tsc considered safe? Â You should ask where it comes from. We can get locally grown oats or corn that are cleaned and bagged in a seed cleaning facility, not a feed mill. Â The bags aren't labeled at all. Just talked with the manager at my feed store.. I was assured my oats have absolutely no contact with any medicated feeds. They buy them in bulk straight from the field and my feed store bags them themselves. Good to know! I feel so much better! Every bag of feed is supposed to have analysis information, and contact information of who is responsible for the quality of what is inside. I don't think it is legal anywhere to just sell a bag without identification, though I know many do. The easy answer is to only feed products that someone has their name and contact information on (even if it is plain oats ) and who can honestly tell you that no ingredients in that bag have ever been in a mill that does medicated feed. Well shoot.. I had to go look back at my notes from my conversation. He said the oats are cleaned and delivered straight from the field. The only things they purchase in bulk is northern oats, corn and seed oats. And that they bag them themselves in their barn. I did think it was strange to not have any tags or anything on the bags themselves. I haven't even fed them yet. I'm not quite sure what to think right now! My only other options for oats is TSC or nutrena or from a guy who grows them locally and they aren't cleaned ... very dusty I've tried those before but I hated how dirty and dusty they were.
From our conversation. .. these oats I bought haven't been thru a mill. To my understanding anyway. I only paid $8.00 for a 50lb sack and they are pretty clean . |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Barnmom - 2015-09-30 3:57 PM winwillows - 2015-09-30 12:55 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-09-30 11:36 AM TurnLane - 2015-09-30 11:11 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-30 10:49 AM Is the corn that is used to clean out the system marked as such? Would that not be an issue for the deer industry as well??? I see a lot of corn bagged/labeled as DEER CORN, yes. But I doubt the ionophores are an issue for the deer guys since deer are ruminants like cattle?
I do know of some big ranches that buy ionophore feed to kill hogs. In most mills that make medicated cattle feeds and horse feeds the protocol is this. First the medicated feed is made. The system is then flushed, usually with oats. The oats from the flush are normally then added to the batch of medicated feed. Next, a run of non-medicated feed for the same species is supposed to be run. Most mills then flush with oats again and add that back into the non-medicated run. At this point they can make equine products on that line.
Every mill has a different protocal- or even no protocal. There are no industry standards or regulations on clean out.
With what seems to be all the information out there, people STILL choose to feed not only feed from medicated mills- they also continue to feed straight cattle feed. It is sad when it is our friends, family, trainers and neighbors, even when they know people personally who have been affected yet continue to choose to feed the same feed. 
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