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Location: North Dakota | So Herbie and Flitastic: No joint injections, no bute, pentosan, banamine, omeprazole, ranitidine, witches spells, magic wands?? (I think I played a bit of a roll in getting Flitastic on the Pentosan) When was the last joint injections on your horses?? I'm at a cross roads with my daughters good horse......NEED to and WANT to believe in this CUROST, I'm convinced he's due for hock injections but I'm also at the point where he can be turned out for the next 3-4 months to heal and rejuvenate. (ps I've been taking the Curost pure for 12 days-I've taken 6 ibuprofen in that time....usually 3-4 every other day) still not completely convinced....I'm a terribly cheap pessimist (sp) This horse has confirmed arthritis in one hock.....and history of injections every other year or so with pentosan monthly or as needed. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I've seen HUGE HUGE improvement in my horse's respiratory allergies and eyesight. Not a bit of difference in his soundness so far. 4 weeks in. |
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Location: North Dakota | LMS - 2015-10-13 4:30 PM So Herbie and Flitastic: No joint injections, no bute, pentosan, banamine, omeprazole, ranitidine, witches spells, magic wands?? (I think I played a bit of a roll in getting Flitastic on the Pentosan) When was the last joint injections on your horses?? I'm at a cross roads with my daughters good horse......NEED to and WANT to believe in this CUROST, I'm convinced he's due for hock injections but I'm also at the point where he can be turned out for the next 3-4 months to heal and rejuvenate. (ps I've been taking the Curost pure for 12 days-I've taken 6 ibuprofen in that time....usually 3-4 every other day) still not completely convinced....I'm a terribly cheap pessimist (sp) This horse has confirmed arthritis in one hock.....and history of injections every other year or so with pentosan monthly or as needed.
Let me know if you do it for the horse's!
I'm pondering Curost for Red as well. Of course, he's going to get a solid 8 months off, with the timing of his injury. So that will probably help things too!
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| My horse is 17 months on injections. Should have had them 5 months ago. She is no longer on Previcox, Banamine or Bute. She was on Previcox daily. I still give the Pentosan and Glucosomine. More out of habit. She doesn't need it. Feed the Cur Ost EQ total. And the Pure 3days out 1/4 scoop through the runs. |
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| My horse has seen tremendous improvement In respiratory allergies and overall body condition. My horses have been on curost 60 days. My one horse with issues was DUE for hocks and coffin joint at the time I started the curost. I was able to go an additional 60 days but I did just have his hocks done. Having said that, he was previously on PREVICOX every single day for the coffin joint. Since starting curost he has not needed any previcox. My vet is optimistic we may only need injections once a year instead of every 6 months. But the overall other benefits of curost totally make it worth it. I consulted with Dr. Schell before injections. |
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Location: NE Texas | The pure is the product with the highest amount of anti inflammatory properties. I haven't had to inject anything but my horse is only 5. That being said, I've only had to inject 1 horse in the past and that one was a guessing game in trying to that a mild lameness that ended up being a fractured P2, so the injections was not helpful in this lameness. Maybe I've been lucky, maybe I've sold them before it was needed to maintain them, as i typically ride young hirses then sell them, or maybe I'm just hard headed. Injections are absolutely a last resort for me, but I certainly understand the need for them and that in some cases they are necessary to give relief to an arthritic joint. I personally feel like we rely on injections as a treatment for immediate pain relief while not addressing the issues that are causing us the need to use them and that are overdone in many cases. I feel like I personally have been in such a hurry to get my horse back running that I've ignored some of the warning signs that resulted in the need to inject. I'd encourage you to talk to Dr Schell about the pure, as I don't have any experience with that product or managing an arthritic horse. I have been taking the human product too and I have found that as long as I don't consume alot of sugar, I have great results. If I do eat alot of sugar, I tend to have the same issues I did before. May need to inject this particular horse if you feel he is increasingly sore and showing signs of lameness in riding or flexion tests.
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Location: North Dakota | Thanks my main hang up with this horse is that he is the absolute pickiest eater I have ever encountered! With Pentosan I can stretch his hock injection to 18 months-we are at 24 months now and we are all paying the price so my thought was if it really was enough, I would inject and then go with the curost until next spring to see if he is a super duper happy camper:) think I'm just going to rest him and gauge his comfort level for awhile as we are not competing maybe something new will shine upon the horse world! Thank you all for your insight I will be lurking and taking your words to heart. I do think I need some more time to see if I continue to improve on the pure myself before I make my final decision. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I don't have any lameness issues going on right now thank goodness, but I have had amazing results with the allergies/respiratory part. My mare has been off allergy shots and all supplements since September 18th, she was due for an allergy shot that day as well. She has been on Cur OST Total and Immune for 20 days.
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| I've been taking the Human Pure and Human Immune for about a month. I don't know that I've noticed a difference except my stomach is more regular. I am still having the worst allergies, allegra and flonase or my head spins, and I've still needed pain pills but haven't taken them because I read somewhere you shouldn't mix NSAIDS and tumeric. I did order the total support to see if that will make a difference. |
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Location: NE Texas | I think the best mix for allergies for the human side of things would be the Ultimate and the Immune combo, as that is the combo that has worked for my horse. As for pain, the best thing will be the Pure (I think) for both humans and horses. I do have one horse I am using the Pure and and Dr. Schell suggesting it be used with the Nourish to stimulate the blood flow.
I think alot of it is figuring out the right combination and being sure that our diet (and our horses) is supporting a healthy immune response as well. Diet alone will go a long way in getting things back on track. When I first started the Cur-OST I was still feeding my horse processed feed....high dollar feed. I continued feeding it for about 45 days into it because I was scared that my horse would fall off if he wasn't getting that good feed, the added fat, etc. After all he was terribly thin and sick when I first started this program. After the first 30 days his improvement was so dramatic I thought i'd take the next step and attempt to remove the processed grain. Best decision ever.....he bloomed all over again and continues to do well.
Diet is a huge part of this program being successful, that combined with getting the proper mix of products to get things working. The Total Support or the Ultimate (human) isn't the end all be all miracle. It may take a combination of a few products, for a short time, to get things back working and the inflammatory response under control. For example....I used the Total Support, the Immune & Repair and the Adapt & Calm at first. Dr. Schell suggested that combination for 90 days, and to then back off to the Total Support for maintenance. After i'd had such huge improvement after the first 45 days, I tried to cheat and didn't repurchase the Immune & Repair and my horse began coughing again and showed some discomfort back in his flank again, which had previously completely gone away. I consulted with Dr. Schell again and he again recommended the full 90 days of both product and stressed the importance of this combination for that duration to get the inflammation under control and his immune response back healthy. I went back and did exactly that....a full 90 days of both product, and have sense been able to back off to just the Total Support now for 90 days and my horse has not taken a step backwards.
It's easy to want to cheat when we first see the improvement and back off due to that....I was guilty of that as well, but I do think it's important to do the regimen as suggested. I had to backtrack as well. If you're not seeing the results you're needing, there may be something missing, a combination product that you may need short term to help boost things and get the inflammation under control.
I think the Pure would be the route to go for a horse with chronic arthritis, at least for short term or use it prerace, based on what I have read on the forum. Again, I have not personally dealt with any arthritis, so i'm completely speaking out of turn based on what i've read on the forum and others experiences.
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Location: North Dakota | Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and experiences! For me, I KNOW what this horse needs and what WILL work (dumb to think otherwise) but have always wondered if there is something else going on too.....you know the magic wand effect???? On the plus side since I probably have a good 5 months of winter like weather to contemplate my plan of attack :(
Like I said earlier I've been taking the human Pure for almost 2 full weeks I know I've significantly decreased my ibuprofen intake....enough to swear off it completely-no....which leads me to believe maybe I should just inject my horse and stick with the pentosan-but I am still-playing table tennis with my thoughts on this subject and doing a whole lot more research. I appreciate the honest answers.
I do think that the affects of the curcumin on upper respiratory issues is amazing and honestly Smokingirlie, your horse is amazing looking in both pics :) |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | LMS - 2015-10-14 10:04 AM Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and experiences! For me, I KNOW what this horse needs and what WILL work (dumb to think otherwise) but have always wondered if there is something else going on too.....you know the magic wand effect???? On the plus side since I probably have a good 5 months of winter like weather to contemplate my plan of attack :(
Like I said earlier I've been taking the human Pure for almost 2 full weeks I know I've significantly decreased my ibuprofen intake....enough to swear off it completely-no....which leads me to believe maybe I should just inject my horse and stick with the pentosan-but I am still-playing table tennis with my thoughts on this subject and doing a whole lot more research. I appreciate the honest answers.
I do think that the affects of the curcumin on upper respiratory issues is amazing and honestly Smokingirlie, your horse is amazing looking in both pics :)
Thank you LMS, I didn't think she could look better than she did but she really does. And she is running harder and better also, double bonus!
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Location: NE Texas | LMS - 2015-10-14 10:04 AM Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and experiences! For me, I KNOW what this horse needs and what WILL work (dumb to think otherwise) but have always wondered if there is something else going on too.....you know the magic wand effect???? On the plus side since I probably have a good 5 months of winter like weather to contemplate my plan of attack :(
Like I said earlier I've been taking the human Pure for almost 2 full weeks I know I've significantly decreased my ibuprofen intake....enough to swear off it completely-no....which leads me to believe maybe I should just inject my horse and stick with the pentosan-but I am still-playing table tennis with my thoughts on this subject and doing a whole lot more research. I appreciate the honest answers.
I do think that the affects of the curcumin on upper respiratory issues is amazing and honestly Smokingirlie, your horse is amazing looking in both pics :)
You're welcome, LMS, and I totally understand the debate you're having with yourself....if these horses could only talk! HAHA I have beat my head against the wall more this year than ever in my life with a horse. It's been a wild ride for sure. Ultimately we have to do what works for us and for our horse, as they're all individuals and no one program will work for all of them. 
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Location: Lala Land | In my emails with Dr. Schell the CurOst will not reverse the damage that has been done in the joints, but can certainly reduce the inflammation going further. I expect to continue injecting, but with a little luck he will not need it. I have been using the Total and Immune for about 20 days, he hasn't been off soundness wise in a long time he's navicular and I inject hocks once a year, but he is breathing better and has been stretching better. |
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Location: NE Texas | LMS, this post on the forum made me think of you. You may have already read it, and if so, I apologize for being redundant. Just wanted to share the link as it's discussing hock injections. Have a great day!
https://secondvet.com/index.php/forum/equine/126-stifles-hocks-or-si#1071 |
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