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| Two weeks ago I sold a 3 yr old reg QH mare for my boss for $1000. No vet check and I even gave new owner # to our vet whom she spoke with before she bought her. She's always lived in a huge pasture with a loafing shed. She got put on back burner bc they had too many and with the death of my bosses wife we've literally just been feeding her in the mornings bc I've taken over the office part of business. She basically took a saddle, bit, had ground manners etc. maybe 10 rides her 2 yr old summer, super sweet willing disposition. We haven't touched her in over a year except for vacs, worming, trimming and when our vet looked at her foot bc she had cut on her heel bulb which new owner spoke to him about. She was welcome to get her own vet check. I just received a text telling me the mare I sold her is a cribber. I don't know much about cribbing but thought it was a stall thing. I don't know what her living arrangements are now. She lived completely turned out on 16 acre pasture most of her life. I don't know what to say or do, I didn't know. |
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The Advice Guru
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| If she didn't crib at the previous place, I would say that. Then you could suggest getting her a slow feeder, treating for ulcers (these can occur in less then 3 days). |
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| I tried calling her immediately bc I felt it warrants at least a call but she didn't answer. I sent a text that stated I was completely honest about what I KNEW about the mare. I don't think she really wants me to say anything but bring her back and I'll give you a refund. This is one of many reasons I do not like selling horses! I have multiple horses for sale right now for the owner and don't want to be flagged as a bad seller. I'm just trying to help him so he can deal with his wife's death and legal issues |
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Location: sunny california | geeze it was $1000 not $10,000 and she chose to not get a vet check. |
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Location: Texas | I sold a mare last year as a broodmare to a well known breeder. They had asked if she had any bad habits such as cribbing, weaving, etc and I told them no, because she didn't have any issues other than an injury that left her broodmare sound. This mare was turned out on 15 acres mostly, but had also been kept penned and NEVER cribbed. Much to my horror, a week later I get a message from her new owner saying this mare is a cribber. I replied back that she never had cribbed with me but that I didn't want her to be unhappy with her purchase so I would take her back and refund the money. She denied the offer, but told me I must have just not noticed it because she definitley cribbed... Well thanks but I think I would have known if my mare was a cribber. I believe the stress of moving triggered it, but I was certainly disappointed because I did not want this breeder thinking I knowingly deceived them when they bought her. Unfortunately when it comes to cribbing, I know stress will trigger it and that is out of your hands as the seller. |
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| I would just tell them
"****, that sucks"
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 How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | I'd take her back and refund the money. She's a cribber, you can't dispute that. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I would almost be surprised if she didn't crib. We have one that was out 24/7 on pasture that I know for a fact didn't crib. She started cribbing when we put her up at night. She was young as well, lite to no handling. I think some young horses don't take the change well, especially if a they have known is being turned out all the time.
As far as what to do, depends on how you feel about the horse. If you're worried they'll dump her, take her back. If not, as is. They talked to the vet. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | Well maybe if people would quit putting horses in stalls they wouldn't be cribbers. What did they expect would happen to a horse that has lived outside all of its life like a horse should. |
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How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | How the heck would the vet know she cribbed if she never cribbed before? Makes no sense. I've brought many horses in that were raised in a pasture and never had one start cribbing. Sometimes when you sell horses you just have to suck it up and do what you don't want to do. Cribbing is one of those things you HAVE to disclose, and saying you didn't know she did it isn't going to fly.
Edited by crapshooter 2015-10-10 6:55 PM
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| I don't know what her current living arrangements are now. She was born, raised and lived in this pasture her whole life and until she sold never rode in a trailer. I have never been around a cribber and always thoughtsit was a problem for stall horses. I maybe saw her 5 minutes a day when I fed. I had 8 broodmares and a donkey to play musical feed pans with so many times it was a frenzy in the morning before they'd settle in and I saw nothing indicative of a problem.
It's not my decision to refund the $ or not I can only make suggestions to owner. However, I did try to call her and no answer, no return call. I texted and told her I was really sorry but I told her everything I KNEW about the mare. No response. |
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Location: Missouri | Since you told her everything you knew and she will not talk to you by phone only by text then move on. I would worry about it. if she paid $10K it could be an issue, but not at a 1000 |
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How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | Agreed, not your horse, not your money, not your problem at this point. It's between her and your boss. |
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| How much does this new owner actually know about horses? Many green horses owners have no idea there is a difference between cribbing and wood chewing. |
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How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | SKM - 2015-10-10 8:20 PM How much does this new owner actually know about horses? Many green horses owners have no idea there is a difference between cribbing and wood chewing.
I was thinking the same thing. |
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| I think she is educated. I spent my evening on google trying to educate myself. I didn't know there was a difference between wood chewing and cribbing, I've had horses mmost of my life and honestly thought it was a stall thing. I don't keep my horses stalled. I decided I'm not going to worry about it. The only communication has been a text from her informing of the problem and insinuating I was dishonest bc I didn't tell her. I've tried calling and texting her with no response. I don't know what the expectation is but I told what I KNEW and did everything I thought was right. I don't know what the living arrangements are for mare now, if it's wood chewing in a stall or what. |
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I AM being nice
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Location: MD | crapshooter - 2015-10-10 6:44 PM
How the heck would the vet know she cribbed if she never cribbed before? Makes no sense. I've brought many horses in that were raised in a pasture and never had one start cribbing. Sometimes when you sell horses you just have to suck it up and do what you don't want to do. Cribbing is one of those things you HAVE to disclose, and saying you didn't know she did it isn't going to fly.
How does saying "We never knew her to crib, never saw her crib, nor ever saw any evidence of her cribbing" make it something that one should have to suck up? We sold one several years ago who had never cribbed a day in the 4 years that we had him. He got about 20 mins of turnout a day and was ridden 5 days a week, so we saw him in his stall a LOT. Never cribbed. Sold to a friend at 8 years old and a week later they called us saying that he was cribbing. They had seen the horse at innumerous shows and had also never witnessed him cribbing. Environmental changes can bring out stereotypies in an animal. |
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 Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | WrapSnap - 2015-10-12 12:22 AM crapshooter - 2015-10-10 6:44 PM How the heck would the vet know she cribbed if she never cribbed before? Makes no sense. I've brought many horses in that were raised in a pasture and never had one start cribbing. Sometimes when you sell horses you just have to suck it up and do what you don't want to do. Cribbing is one of those things you HAVE to disclose, and saying you didn't know she did it isn't going to fly. How does saying "We never knew her to crib, never saw her crib, nor ever saw any evidence of her cribbing" make it something that one should have to suck up? We sold one several years ago who had never cribbed a day in the 4 years that we had him. He got about 20 mins of turnout a day and was ridden 5 days a week, so we saw him in his stall a LOT. Never cribbed. Sold to a friend at 8 years old and a week later they called us saying that he was cribbing. They had seen the horse at innumerous shows and had also never witnessed him cribbing. Environmental changes can bring out stereotypies in an animal.
I've also seen horses start cribbing because anohter horse around them cribs. If this lady has experience with it then maybe this horse has picked up the habit from another horse of hers.
I think this is really a moral dilemma and if you honestly didn't know the horse cribbed I would just move on from it. In no way do I think you owe the woman anything more than what you originally disclosed to her. |
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How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | If I bought a horse and it was cribbing right after I got it and the seller said it had never cribbed before I wouldn't believe them. Just sayin.
That said I do believe the OP didn't know the mare cribbed and I think she is done with this deal and rightfully so. And since I'm not the buyer what I think doesn't really matter. |
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