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| My new colt was trained not to go by the barrel as soon as his shoulder is by the barrel he starts to turn and he is ratey to boot. with the weather i can only work him at shows, any advice |
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Location: MD | My best advice would be to go for a few exhibitions and don't be afraid to go do something that might make people scratch their heads. At this point, he doesn't need to learn to just go up into the hole. He needs to learn to keep his hind feet moving forward until you tell him different. |
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| Wrapsnap what would you do I'd like to see him get his hip by the barrel he is so sticky and not paying attention to me kicking him he just starts setting up and also wants to make a bigger pocket and not stay straight |
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Location: MD | I'd take that sucker in and trot him through a set holding the line that I wanted and make him go forward. The minute he tried to cut off and drop his shoulder, I'd stick both feet in him and send him straight to the fence. Only when he doesn't try to so much as move that shoulder off of the line and keeps his back feet pedaling himself forward until his hip is passed the barrel would I allow that sucker to turn |
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| Lots and lots of trotting and I would also try a French Cup Blinker! |
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| Thanks for the advice sometimes you just need a little encouragement and advice I'm up and at it again today |
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| I would go back to basics. Work on getting control of the entire horse. Make him go where you want to go. Heather Smith has a book of nothing but drills that is excellent. Martha Josey just put out a book that has some drills also. I am going to tell you that if you get out and just ride around the cones or barrels you are wasting your time. You have to do the driving every step of the way. Two hands on the reins and paying attention to every step. You are not doing this for relaxation. Start at a walk and when the horse is following your directions then move up to a trot. When the horse is following your directions then move up to a lope. My trainer gets me out there working various patterns. My horse already knows what to do. She has to tweek me every once in awhile. It will make you a better barrel racer. (I am not new to this game but I don't know everything and never will).
Your don't drive through a parking lot in your car and try to put on makeup and just let the car go where it is headed. You drive in, look for a parking place and pull in. You have to drive your horse where you want to go AND the horse needs to respond to your driving. |
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| Good advice thanks so much |
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| I used to train my own horses and was the one to beat around here but that was then and this now. I am lucky if I win money in the 5D. Sad but true. Personally, I am glad that I can still go. When Diesel got so high, I figured out that a trainer could get more done in less time. All of the horses that I have now have been to the same trainer and not riding for 15 years plus caused me to fall into some bad habits. My trainer has spent plenty of time correcting rider errors. I am lucky to have someone who can help me. I live about 30 miles from Josey's and Martha and RE are very good friends. A clinic up there every once in a while helps with confidence issues. Good luck with your horse but I do think starting over and a lot of patience is your best bet. |
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| Just a thought but I would also try using the counter arc. Done correctly the counter arc lifts the inside shoulder while the rider should be driving the horses hip to the outside of the arc with their feet. That keeps his hind end engaged and pushing while also reminding him to keep his shoulder up. It should also help remind him that he doesn't decide when to turn, you do. Id counter arc him all the way around until you are back on your line, hold that shape and give him the opportunity to go to the spot you are directing him to. If he drops again or sticks his front end do it again. Do that three times and on the fourth, put him on his honor and expect him to get to his spot. It is important you don't pull him into the counter arc but use the rein for direction and your feet and seat to encourage forward. Only arc as tightly as you can and maintain good forward. |
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Since this horse is already ratey and starting his turn early, I would do things maybe a bit different than what was mentioned. Trot or lope up to the barrel and when you feel him start to rate HOLD him between your legs and your reins. Don't let his hip drift out or his shoulder drop in. When your leg is past the barrel turn him the opposite way. Don't turn the barrel, just do a 180 and head to tge next barrel. Do this a couple of times to let him catch on. Once you show him what you want, then do it a few more times, aggressively, and he'll figure it out. Mix it up with the first exercise and turning it correctly. Remember to praise him when he does it correctly. It shouldn't take very long to get him to stop anticipating those turns.
Good luck!
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Location: MD | grinandbareit - 2015-11-28 10:55 PM
Since this horse is already ratey and starting his turn early, I would do things maybe a bit different than what was mentioned. Trot or lope up to the barrel and when you feel him start to rate HOLD him between your legs and your reins. Don't let his hip drift out or his shoulder drop in. When your leg is past the barrel turn him the opposite way. Don't turn the barrel, just do a 180 and head to tge next barrel. Do this a couple of times to let him catch on. Once you show him what you want, then do it a few more times, aggressively, and he'll figure it out. Mix it up with the first exercise and turning it correctly. Remember to praise him when he does it correctly. It shouldn't take very long to get him to stop anticipating those turns.
Good luck!
great advice, especially the bit about not turning the opposite way until after you have gone well passed the barrel. Everyone seems to want to do this too soon and in the end, it only ends up creating even more rate. |
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