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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | chicks2 - 2015-12-01 7:36 AM 2 cc of ace on the tongue, how long will that last?
What are you trying to do? They make a gel that is so much better for calming one down if you have vet or farrier work that needs done. Dormesedon or something similar to that name. |
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| On the tongue takes about 30 minutes to an hour to work first off, and then it lasts for a few hours depending on the horse. Ace is not a heavy drug, I;ve raced a few horses on it to take the edge off of their nerves over the years (and they still ran just as well).
So unless you just need a bit of an edge taken off, I would go for rompin IM or ketamine IM for real sedation, or the cocktail with all three for real sedation (We use the cocktail to live breed mares). But it all depends on what you need it for, of course. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Just to calm down B 1 and magnesium and take off grain unless competing. |
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Location: Texas | I've used Ace quite a bit on a nervous horse when first starting to haul one out. 1-2 cc on the tongue will calm them enough to get them tired and used to the environment.
I will warn though, Ace has some risk factors when giving to a gelding, so keep that in mind. |
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| Fun2Run - 2015-12-02 11:51 AM
I've used Ace quite a bit on a nervous horse when first starting to haul one out. 1-2 cc on the tongue will calm them enough to get them tired and used to the environment.
I will warn though, Ace has some risk factors when giving to a gelding, so keep that in mind.
What kind of risk? |
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| We've put it under the tongue. Like someone said it could take an hour or so for it to start working but in my experience I only had good luck with it working for an hour to an hour and a half.
I had just as good of luck if not better with Essential Oils Lavender Oil. A few drops on the palm of your hand and then rub it on their nose. I would recommend trying this at home first only because some horses are sensitive to the smell and will do funny things with their head after it is applied.
I had great luck with a feed through call RelaxSaver Equine by Figuerola Labs.
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | KPwuvsOliver - 2015-12-02 1:55 PM Fun2Run - 2015-12-02 11:51 AM I've used Ace quite a bit on a nervous horse when first starting to haul one out. 1-2 cc on the tongue will calm them enough to get them tired and used to the environment.
I will warn though, Ace has some risk factors when giving to a gelding, so keep that in mind. What kind of risk?
It can cause a gelding or stallion's penis to prolapse and become paralyzed. |
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| Thanks for the feedback, all good. I was using this on a gelding that has become more and more anxious when I haul him. It was going to be a trailer ride that was aabout 2 1/2 hours. Only gave it about 15 minutes before we left, so he was moving around some and pawing a little for the first few miles of the trip, but when we checked him at the half way point and when we got there, he was pretty chilaxed. So, for what I needed it for, it worked like a charm.
However, I had never heard the side effect mentioned. Any stats on the frequency for this, or other factors that could impact that outcome? |
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Location: South Central Florida | chicks2 - 2015-12-02 3:30 PM Thanks for the feedback, all good. I was using this on a gelding that has become more and more anxious when I haul him. It was going to be a trailer ride that was aabout 2 1/2 hours. Only gave it about 15 minutes before we left, so he was moving around some and pawing a little for the first few miles of the trip, but when we checked him at the half way point and when we got there, he was pretty chilaxed. So, for what I needed it for, it worked like a charm. However, I had never heard the side effect mentioned. Any stats on the frequency for this, or other factors that could impact that outcome?
I've used it for a mare with extreeme nervous problems. But I would never give it to a gelding..or well, a male. There are other drugs that will do the same thing, with out that issue. So if you have to do it again, I would ask vet for what else is available with out the risk of the penis issue. |
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Location: California | Do you have to get ace through a vet?
I know, dumb question. Never used it, don't need it, just curious. |
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A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | *almost there* - 2015-12-02 11:03 PM Do you have to get ace through a vet? I know, dumb question. Never used it, don't need it, just curious.
Yes |
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| animal element makes a paste called in the zone and it really helps calm - I give it to my boy before I put him hin the trailer about 15-20 min out- and its good for their belly too- if they tend to be ulcer prone I also use it before runs sometimes if I feel like mine is getting to nervous |
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| chicks2 - 2015-12-02 2:30 PM
Thanks for the feedback, all good. I was using this on a gelding that has become more and more anxious when I haul him. It was going to be a trailer ride that was aabout 2 1/2 hours. Only gave it about 15 minutes before we left, so he was moving around some and pawing a little for the first few miles of the trip, but when we checked him at the half way point and when we got there, he was pretty chilaxed. So, for what I needed it for, it worked like a charm.
However, I had never heard the side effect mentioned. Any stats on the frequency for this, or other factors that could impact that outcome?
Not sure about the stats, but I have seen where the penis is paralyzed the horse constantly dribbles as well.
My vet said it is like Russian roulette, your horse may be good the first dozen times then the 13th the effects are irreversible |
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| Swannranch - 2015-12-02 5:58 PM
chicks2 - 2015-12-02 3:30 PM Thanks for the feedback, all good. I was using this on a gelding that has become more and more anxious when I haul him. It was going to be a trailer ride that was aabout 2 1/2 hours. Only gave it about 15 minutes before we left, so he was moving around some and pawing a little for the first few miles of the trip, but when we checked him at the half way point and when we got there, he was pretty chilaxed. So, for what I needed it for, it worked like a charm. However, I had never heard the side effect mentioned. Any stats on the frequency for this, or other factors that could impact that outcome?
I've used it for a mare with extreeme nervous problems. But I would never give it to a gelding..or well, a male. There are other drugs that will do the same thing, with out that issue. So if you have to do it again, I would ask vet for what else is available with out the risk of the penis issue.
What I'm surprised with is that the vet knew I was giving it to a gelding, so I'm surprised she didn't give me a heads up on this, I think I'll ask her about that. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Animal Element has a paste called In the Zone which helps to calm and relax a horse. If they are really high strung I give them a 20cc dose before I put them on the trailer and then 10 cc when we get to the race. It works well unless you are dealing with a pain issue and in that case nothing will work until it is fixed. |
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