Red Raider - 2015-12-04 2:14 PM They have -- they just aren't getting as much media play and attention as others are.  

Phxbarrel - 2015-12-05 12:37 PM


In further reply to your question - they do!

Every Muslim I know is so ashamed of these people.

The Quran condemns killing people - even for religious reasons.

Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256)

But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”

There are more parts that I could quote, but these get the point across.

The Islamic Center of Loma Linda/Redlands is holding a vigil on Sunday for the victims as well.

aqhabarrelchic1 - 2015-12-04 10:11 PM  That's all fine and dandy but Muslims/Islam has ALWAYS had radicalization and when otheR religions learned not to kill for religion Muslims/Islamic people's have not learned this

Cindy Hamilton - 2015-12-04 2:44 PM


Yes, I see them on Fox mainly and Glen Beck show, but they can't get the Muslim population to support them in public....what they need is a million man Muslim march denouncing radical Islam terrorism, but it ain't happening....

Red Raider - 2015-12-05 12:45 PM


 I wouldn't be so quick to say that Islam is the only religion that has a problem with it's members being radicalized.  Living in America, we sometimes forget that there are things taking place in other parts of the world where Christians are not behaving so angelic and have committed horrible acts of their own.  It's not around us on a daily basis so it's easy to forget but the question remains:  How do we as Christians justify those actions to the people who are affected by them?  Do we have a duty to speak up about something going on in Africa or India?  Why do we as Americans hold all Muslims accountable to do this type of "speaking up" after a tragic event but we don't hold ourselves to the same standards when it happens because of Christian radicals? 

If someone from Uganda approached you and asked why Christians allow a group like the Lord's Resistance Army to do what they do, how would you respond?  Most people are going to say "Christian's aren't like that", the things the LRA does isn't supported by mainstream Christianity and that they aren't true Christians.  Most Muslims would say the same thing in turn about ISIS.  You know it's bad when Al-Queda doesn't want to have anything to do with them because even they (who are pretty extreme themselves) say ISIS and it's leaders are too radical and will hurt the aims of Al-Queda because of what they are doing.  Osama bin Laden himself was against the formation of ISIS and for the things they were trying to bring into fruition because he didn't agree with their philosophy, timing of events they are trying to make happen and the brutal tactics they were using to reach their aims.  If Osama bin Laden was against them, where do you think most Muslims are going to be?      

Given the political climates in certain parts of the world, I think it's only by luck that there are not more radical Christian groups like the Lord's Resistance Army in existence in those areas who lack a strong government or leadership.  I can easily see certain Christian groups coming into play or otherwise being formed if enough ISIS-inspired attacks keep occuring throughout the world or jihad related killing keep happening with those groups focused on either repaying the favor by attacking Muslims or mosques or doing much worse.  White Supremacist groups were already on the rise in America before ISIS and even now, the Syrian refugee debate, were on most American's minds.  I don't think it's a question of "If" but "When" we may possibly see some of these groups acting out upon "Christian" beliefs (as they profess) and doing damage to those they feel they are entitled to.  It will then be our turn as Christians to step up and make the speech we are wanting so many Muslims to do right now.  

I'm not saying that I don't think Muslims should say something or otherwise affirm that they don't hold those beliefs or even speak out against what is going on.  I hope out of these tragedies that more people start asking questions about Islam, become educated at least on basic fundamentals and something good like mutual respect can become more common between the two religions and their followers.  Maybe that's the good that will come out of it all.  I just think that Christians shouldn't be so smug in the belief that we won't have to do the same in the future or that we possibly don't owe an explanation to certain people right now (like Western Africans) like we are expecting out of the Muslim population.    

Red Raider - 2015-12-05 12:45 PM


 I wouldn't be so quick to say that Islam is the only religion that has a problem with it's members being radicalized.  Living in America, we sometimes forget that there are things taking place in other parts of the world where Christians are not behaving so angelic and have committed horrible acts of their own.  It's not around us on a daily basis so it's easy to forget but the question remains:  How do we as Christians justify those actions to the people who are affected by them?  Do we have a duty to speak up about something going on in Africa or India?  Why do we as Americans hold all Muslims accountable to do this type of "speaking up" after a tragic event but we don't hold ourselves to the same standards when it happens because of Christian radicals? 

If someone from Uganda approached you and asked why Christians allow a group like the Lord's Resistance Army to do what they do, how would you respond?  Most people are going to say "Christian's aren't like that", the things the LRA does isn't supported by mainstream Christianity and that they aren't true Christians.  Most Muslims would say the same thing in turn about ISIS.  You know it's bad when Al-Queda doesn't want to have anything to do with them because even they (who are pretty extreme themselves) say ISIS and it's leaders are too radical and will hurt the aims of Al-Queda because of what they are doing.  Osama bin Laden himself was against the formation of ISIS and for the things they were trying to bring into fruition because he didn't agree with their philosophy, timing of events they are trying to make happen and the brutal tactics they were using to reach their aims.  If Osama bin Laden was against them, where do you think most Muslims are going to be?      

Given the political climates in certain parts of the world, I think it's only by luck that there are not more radical Christian groups like the Lord's Resistance Army in existence in those areas who lack a strong government or leadership.  I can easily see certain Christian groups coming into play or otherwise being formed if enough ISIS-inspired attacks keep occuring throughout the world or jihad related killing keep happening with those groups focused on either repaying the favor by attacking Muslims or mosques or doing much worse.  White Supremacist groups were already on the rise in America before ISIS and even now, the Syrian refugee debate, were on most American's minds.  I don't think it's a question of "If" but "When" we may possibly see some of these groups acting out upon "Christian" beliefs (as they profess) and doing damage to those they feel they are entitled to.  It will then be our turn as Christians to step up and make the speech we are wanting so many Muslims to do right now.  

I'm not saying that I don't think Muslims should say something or otherwise affirm that they don't hold those beliefs or even speak out against what is going on.  I hope out of these tragedies that more people start asking questions about Islam, become educated at least on basic fundamentals and something good like mutual respect can become more common between the two religions and their followers.  Maybe that's the good that will come out of it all.  I just think that Christians shouldn't be so smug in the belief that we won't have to do the same in the future or that we possibly don't owe an explanation to certain people right now (like Western Africans) like we are expecting out of the Muslim population.