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Location: OH. IO | SKM - 2015-12-08 8:00 PM
Just because they physically CAN be bred at 2 doesn't mean they SHOULD.
Just like a 13 year old girl CAN have a child doesn't mean she should either.
I would wait until 3. At 2 they are still very immature and still growing.
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Location: That part of Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-08 3:01 PM at 24-26 mos (2yo) to foal at 33-35 mos (3yo) due to being permanently broodmare sound only ETA: I am just mulling it around. Not planning anything. She is for sure not going to be able to handle any type of performance. We will be lucky if she can be rode at all. This girl has tried to cut off each leg at least once in the last year in three different living arrangements/ fence settings. Still haven't found what she's doing it on lol.
I would wait. If she can't handle a rider at 100-125 pounds for less than an hour, how is she going to handle carrying a baby at 75-100 pounds 24/7 until it's born? What if she can't handle that load -- what are you going to do then? I've had friends who have bred older mares after career-ending injuries to their hooves/legs and it's really rough on them in the last months of their pregnancy. I couldn't imagine doing that to a youngster who's trying to grow herself in addition to growing a healthy baby. I can understand wanting to recoup losses on an investment but I would treat her as still at the growing phase where she needs all of your support to reach her potential. I'd let her heal and grow some more before you count her out or ask for something her body is probably not ready for -- especially if she is still healing herself. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think thats so wrong to breed such a young filly, give her time to get some growing finished, if shes bred at such a young age she will be giving that baby what she needs to finished growning on. |
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Location: Dearing, GA | Red Raider - 2015-12-08 8:21 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-08 3:01 PM at 24-26 mos (2yo) to foal at 33-35 mos (3yo) due to being permanently broodmare sound only ETA: I am just mulling it around. Not planning anything. She is for sure not going to be able to handle any type of performance. We will be lucky if she can be rode at all. This girl has tried to cut off each leg at least once in the last year in three different living arrangements/ fence settings. Still haven't found what she's doing it on lol. I would wait. If she can't handle a rider at 100-125 pounds for less than an hour, how is she going to handle carrying a baby at 75-100 pounds 24/7 until it's born? What if she can't handle that load -- what are you going to do then? I've had friends who have bred older mares after career-ending injuries to their hooves/legs and it's really rough on them in the last months of their pregnancy. I couldn't imagine doing that to a youngster who's trying to grow herself in addition to growing a healthy baby. I can understand wanting to recoup losses on an investment but I would treat her as still at the growing phase where she needs all of your support to reach her potential. I'd let her heal and grow some more before you count her out or ask for something her body is probably not ready for -- especially if she is still healing herself.
I agree 100%. She needs to be sound enough to carry a foal.
IMO 2 is way too young to breed, injured or not. |
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| I bred a 3 conming 4 in the spring mare this year who has a permanent injury and shes already 15.3 so I don't see a problem with it. shes a DTF and the stud is a smaller son of Dr Nick Bar so hopefully it comes out fine! |
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| So at 25 mos old, a horse is 90% of its adult size and a foal will not pull from a mare until around month 9 making that filly 34 months old (2 months shy of 3 years old, being 98% of her adult size). I realize some are humanizing it and some are putting emotion into it, but we don't breed humans for performance or business. I am not hugely worried about making my money back on her, I won't lol. Not after her hairy incidents the past year. I am just mulling the thought around. I guess what I am trying to say here is that the filly will not be dealing with the strain of a foal until 3 years of age. I would absolutely not breed anything, young or old, if it could not comfortably carry a foal. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-08 10:03 PM
So at 25 mos old, a horse is 90% of its adult size and a foal will not pull from a mare until around month 9 making that filly 34 months old (2 months shy of 3 years old, being 98% of her adult size). I realize some are humanizing it and some are putting emotion into it, but we don't breed humans for performance or business. I am not hugely worried about making my money back on her, I won't lol. Not after her hairy incidents the past year. I am just mulling the thought around. I guess what I am trying to say here is that the filly will not be dealing with the strain of a foal until 3 years of age. I would absolutely not breed anything, young or old, if it could not comfortably carry a foal.
You asked for opinions. You got opinions. I see you've already made up your mind that it's okay to breed her so shy did you even ask? Especially when all you are doing is arguing your case that you feel it's fine when someone says they don't agree? |
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| SKM - 2015-12-09 5:13 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-08 10:03 PM
So at 25 mos old, a horse is 90% of its adult size and a foal will not pull from a mare until around month 9 making that filly 34 months old (2 months shy of 3 years old, being 98% of her adult size). I realize some are humanizing it and some are putting emotion into it, but we don't breed humans for performance or business. I am not hugely worried about making my money back on her, I won't lol. Not after her hairy incidents the past year. I am just mulling the thought around. I guess what I am trying to say here is that the filly will not be dealing with the strain of a foal until 3 years of age. I would absolutely not breed anything, young or old, if it could not comfortably carry a foal.
You asked for opinions. You got opinions. I see you've already made up your mind that it's okay to breed her so shy did you even ask? Especially when all you are doing is arguing your case that you feel it's fine when someone says they don't agree?
That's the joy of discussion :) if everyone agreed on everything the world would be boring. I have my mind made up that medically it's not that big of deal. I haven't seen anything yet to prove that wrong. That's why I asked for OPs. To see if maybe there was something out there that would make me feel otherwise. Now, I haven't made my mind up as to wether I will actually breed her or not but there is nothing wrong with discussing. Just because I don't agree with someone doesn't mean the discussion is over. That's what this thing is here for, right? |
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Location: Kansas | SKM - 2015-12-09 5:13 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-08 10:03 PM So at 25 mos old, a horse is 90% of its adult size and a foal will not pull from a mare until around month 9 making that filly 34 months old (2 months shy of 3 years old, being 98% of her adult size). I realize some are humanizing it and some are putting emotion into it, but we don't breed humans for performance or business. I am not hugely worried about making my money back on her, I won't lol. Not after her hairy incidents the past year. I am just mulling the thought around. I guess what I am trying to say here is that the filly will not be dealing with the strain of a foal until 3 years of age. I would absolutely not breed anything, young or old, if it could not comfortably carry a foal. You asked for opinions. You got opinions. I see you've already made up your mind that it's okay to breed her so shy did you even ask? Especially when all you are doing is arguing your case that you feel it's fine when someone says they don't agree?
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Location: OH | I wait till three. |
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Location: That part of Texas | SKM - 2015-12-09 5:13 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-08 10:03 PM So at 25 mos old, a horse is 90% of its adult size and a foal will not pull from a mare until around month 9 making that filly 34 months old (2 months shy of 3 years old, being 98% of her adult size). I realize some are humanizing it and some are putting emotion into it, but we don't breed humans for performance or business. I am not hugely worried about making my money back on her, I won't lol. Not after her hairy incidents the past year. I am just mulling the thought around. I guess what I am trying to say here is that the filly will not be dealing with the strain of a foal until 3 years of age. I would absolutely not breed anything, young or old, if it could not comfortably carry a foal. You asked for opinions. You got opinions. I see you've already made up your mind that it's okay to breed her so shy did you even ask? Especially when all you are doing is arguing your case that you feel it's fine when someone says they don't agree?
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If you are breeding for resell, I think it's going to hurt you. If it's not about the money, why do it now instead of later? If I was looking at buying a baby from someone who bred so early for one other reason than that's all the mare is good for, I'd probably pass to buy from someone who bred them at a later date.
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Location: OH. IO | SKM - 2015-12-09 6:13 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-08 10:03 PM
So at 25 mos old, a horse is 90% of its adult size and a foal will not pull from a mare until around month 9 making that filly 34 months old (2 months shy of 3 years old, being 98% of her adult size). I realize some are humanizing it and some are putting emotion into it, but we don't breed humans for performance or business. I am not hugely worried about making my money back on her, I won't lol. Not after her hairy incidents the past year. I am just mulling the thought around. I guess what I am trying to say here is that the filly will not be dealing with the strain of a foal until 3 years of age. I would absolutely not breed anything, young or old, if it could not comfortably carry a foal.
You asked for opinions. You got opinions. I see you've already made up your mind that it's okay to breed her so shy did you even ask? Especially when all you are doing is arguing your case that you feel it's fine when someone says they don't agree?
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| In my opinion, why breed an unproven mare....but that's just me. Anywhoo, I have to agree with the others in that I would wait until she is more mature before breeding. |
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| LAC - 2015-12-09 1:32 PM In my opinion, why breed an unproven mare....but that's just me. Anywhoo, I have to agree with the others in that I would wait until she is more mature before breeding.
"Proven" is very subjective. I would guess that more than 75% of all breedings in this industry are unproven mares. |
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| Yes, I agree. Everyone has their own "standards" as to proven and there are a lot of unknowns who have produced some big money earners, however I'm just not a fan of breeding just to breed. |
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Location: Central Texas | oija - 2015-12-08 4:17 PM
Article also specifically recommends waiting to breed, not foal, between 3 to 10. I would think yearlings are the most problematic to breed but you would still have some issues with foaling at 3, just not as many. And article also still intimates that foal size is affected. Have you read the Ranger piece on skeletal maturity in horses. It's more for riding but something to consider for this too. There's still a whole lot of joint fusing and growing going on in three year olds. It's a really high stress growth time and a time when they are often experiencing a lot of 'growing pains'. I'd hate to put the additional stress of a foal on an animal struggling with that. Just because a 15 year old girl can have a baby doesn't mean she should. It's comparable. I'd say breeding a yearling is more like a 13-14 year old.
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Location: Oklahoma | Wait till shes 4!!! Big difference in a 2 , 3 or 4yr old & thats when any filly is considered a Mare... Even if shes never had a foal... Just because theyre able doesnt make it right... An old timer thats prolly forgot more than I know told me IF You breed 1 at 3 skip the next yr Otherwise just wait till shes 4!!! And that man has the best lookin high percentage Hancock horses around my area... Love a Blue Roan :) |
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