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| I have a gelding that I know is quick ( I have seen him run ) I am starting him now and I have found that he is just lazy. Have any trainers out there found that they can turn this around? I don't want to push him too hard, but I can't seem to get his feet moving. Please feel free to be honest here, am I wasting my time with this one? |
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Location: Bandera, TX | No your not. Keep going forward. Find something this horse really enjoys to do. ie. work cattle. a flag whatever and please him by doing so. Don't bore your horse. Change things up. Many times once my horse is fit and confident they begin to get with the program. I've had race track horses that walked like a turtle to the track but would pick up the pace when we had them at the ranch and they were checking fences or checking cattle.
Mary and the great Latte had lazy issues. |
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| Are you riding him only in an arena? Sometimes it takes a few rides out in a pasture, field, or gravel road to get them motivated. He will eventually find his fire! Just give it some time! =) |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | have a two yr old filly we are starting now. She has not figuered out what forward motion is yet and I know she can fly. After 15 rides she will cross water, cross a bridge and do everything you want at a fast walk. Doesnt seem to give a hoot about a over under, being crawled all over or anything and you can work up a sweat trying to get her into a lope. She'll find speed once she gets it all figuered out. I'd really rather have them like this than go bat sh!t crazy when you try and do anything with them. |
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Location: MD | I agree with others that it doesn't concern me when one is lazy. I too, like them that way. Two of my favorite horses that I have ever made were both very lazy suckers in the beginning. One turned out to be a very nice 1D horse. He would walk up to the alley like a plow horse, but the minute you picked up the reins and smooched to him, he was off like a rocket. He could go in and win it and the minute you pulled up in the alley, you could throw the reins on his neck and he would walk back out like a plug. Even Bunny's Trucker, who won the NBHA Open World with Willard Reynolds and numerous other titles with Will and Brett Monroe, among others was very lazy. Will jokes that as a colt, he wouldn't go out to lope a circle on him without a bat, or you couldn't get him out of a trot. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | So glad to hear everyones positive input on lazy horses, my LHDI colt is so very lazy I wonder if he will ever go fast with a rider on his back. Usually I am breathing harder than he is after loping a few circles, my husband calls him my plow horse. |
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Location: NE Texas | I have a young horse that you have to peddle for every step he takes at home. Literally if you quit riding, he quits going and will just stop. He's bored moreso than lazy. Take him off the property and he's very motivated. Not silly or hot, just very head up, eyes bright, and forward ready to attack the task at hand. |
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Location: Conroe, TX 77304 | You all give me hope, we have one that Bully Buillon that drives me crazy with laziness, he can do it, but won't unless you ask for everything you can.
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Location: MD | chiquitamagic1 - 2015-12-15 1:16 PM
You all give me hope, we have one that Bully Buillon that drives me crazy with laziness, he can do it, but won't unless you ask for everything you can.
Thank you all for being encouraging.
Honey, you just described every Bully I have ever sat on, including the one I just got off of. Super nice 1D horse, pro rodeo money earner, yadda, yadda. Every day, he is dull, resistant and lethargic. He works 3x as hard trying not to work than he would have to if he would just apply himself for 20 minutes. Lol |
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Location: NC | the mare I have now WOULD NOT lope at all just last summer. I would have people chase me with a whip in a round pen and she still would refuse. it was horrible. I sent her to a trainer and he started off doing ALOT of lounging with her until she finally got fairly decent w/t/l on a lounge line, then he started riding her. He would start most days lounging her as a sort of reminder and then ride her. It was a slow process with her, but now she lopes off easily. Now we are having the opposite problem. We went from no go to no whoa! haha you get past a walk and she has no breaks..... :-/
My friend is a barrel trainer and her best mare she said was the laziest horse as a 3yr old, drove her crazy!!! Now she is one of her most willing, and freerunning 1D/rodeo horses she has. This gives me hope hahahaha |
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Location: Montana | WrapSnap - 2015-12-16 11:23 AM chiquitamagic1 - 2015-12-15 1:16 PM You all give me hope, we have one that Bully Buillon that drives me crazy with laziness, he can do it, but won't unless you ask for everything you can.
Thank you all for being encouraging. Honey, you just described every Bully I have ever sat on, including the one I just got off of. Super nice 1D horse, pro rodeo money earner, yadda, yadda. Every day, he is dull, resistant and lethargic. He works 3x as hard trying not to work than he would have to if he would just apply himself for 20 minutes. Lol
This sounds like my Beduino, he'll be eight this year. Have to ride him with Spurs and a bat to get him to move. I call him my Over Grown PigHeaded Mule, he's so lazy. I can show him something like a roll back one day go to ask for it the next and have to "reshow" him the next. He's 16h plus and wants to be a front endy horse. Scary as Hell! When he wants to drop going around a barrel. I Know he has it! Worst part you put my Mom on him and he's so soft in the face for her will trot and lope perfect circles for her. I'm thinking after she gets her hip fixed and healed I'm just going to give him to her. |
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| Thank you all for all of the positivity! I didn't want to give up on him because he has the right mind for racing and he is a heck of a horse in every other respect. He has had a lot of time with ground work and lounging because I was pregnant last year, I couldn't do much else. He is three now and I have been putting as much time on him as I can. He is a quick learner; almost too smart for his own good sometimes. Hearing all of these success stories makes me have hope for him. I know he probably just needs more time in the saddle. I like the idea of moving cows with him. I use my rope horse, and should have thought about getting him out and doing something different. Who knows, he may be a better rope horse than barrel horse. ;) I have watched the Dena Kirkpatrick videos though and remember her saying that she takes some of her horses out to work cows to keep their mind fresh. For those of you who have the issue, and your horse runs hard at comps, do you run patterns at home too? Or do you use alternative bending exercises? I am afraid that if I use barrels too much in practice right now he might get bored with it, but I also don't want to get out there and have him blow up. Sorry for all the questions. I usually use finished horses. I like the idea of starting my own because of the type of feel I like. I have trained many rope horses and ran barrels most of my life, but this is the first colt I have had hit the ground and it will be me start to finish. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I brought my 3 year old in to start for 6 weeks. He was super lazy. I put him back out to pasture for 6 months and then brought him back. Now he has a lot more fire. I'm not sure if he was just trying to figure out the forward motion idea especially with having someone on his back. I had seen him run in the pasture so I knew he could. It's like it had to sink in or he just figured it out on his own. Not sure how old your horse is but maybe try a little break and then bring him back and see. I also had people tell me to take him on trail to get his motor going because it is open and they are more likely to move forward. Good luck! Don't lose hope or give up :) Babies take time |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-12-15 11:23 AM
chiquitamagic1 - 2015-12-15 1:16 PM
You all give me hope, we have one that Bully Buillon that drives me crazy with laziness, he can do it, but won't unless you ask for everything you can.
Thank you all for being encouraging.
Honey, you just described every Bully I have ever sat on, including the one I just got off of. Super nice 1D horse, pro rodeo money earner, yadda, yadda. Every day, he is dull, resistant and lethargic. He works 3x as hard trying not to work than he would have to if he would just apply himself for 20 minutes. Lol
That's funny my Bully Bullion filly is the same way! She was hands down the easiest horse to break but when I first got on her she just froze! My mom had to practically drag her around the arena on the leadline because I couldn't get her to move! We've spent this winter just trying to walk and trot with out her just randomly stopping. It seemed like overnight one day it just clicked and now she wants to keep moving. I haven't tried loping her yet so we shall see how that goes! I wanted her to get smoother and more fluid at the other to gaits first! They are really smart tho and I do like how calm they are.
At least they give us a good thigh and core workout! Don't have to hit the gymn as much! LOL 
Edited by christylynn89 2015-12-16 3:43 PM
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Location: Oklahoma | I have one that came off track. When i first got him i thought he was super lazy you had to kick every step and when round pen or lounging you had to chase him every step i pulled shoes and went barefoot his feet was horrible no wall connection and flares. A year later his feet has wall connection and flares almost gone. Im only lounging him right now and all i have to do is smooch and he will pick whatever speed i ask! No more chasing him with a whip to get him to move! I didnt realize how bad his feet hurt him! And ge wont be going back in shoes! Cant wait to ride him. He won around 100,000 on track hqrd to believe that he wouldnt move his feet! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Most of my good horses have had a lazy streak. It's easier to light a fire under one's ass than slow one's brain down. And it's funny how often the ones you have to carry a bat to exercise them at home can't wait to get in the alley and RUN when it's time. |
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