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Location: Rocky Mountains | I have a nice frenchmans hayday mare I recently got a hold of! Stunning I might ad! I just love her to the bone! Very nice mare overall and has nice conformation so this is not a potential "back yard" breeding as you so often call horse breeders that bred horses that have no business breeding.
Cutting to the chase. sorry if this seems to be a "blonde" question. I already feel I know what the answer will be.
Do the papers need to be in your name to breed and have the foal elegible for registration? I cannot for the life of me contact the breeder who also happens to still be the one that holds the registration in his name. I have a bill of sale and brand inspection but I don't thing that makes a difference to the AQHA. If so do I need them transferred to my name before I send a copy of the papers with the breeding contract? |
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Location: Desert Land | No, you do not need to. BUT I would definiately have the mare transfferred in to your name BEFORE you breed her so you will be considered the "breeder" of the foal. |
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Location: Rocky Mountains | Aaahhh!! I love your user name! But thank you!
The old grey mare she ain't what she used to be many long years ago!! Hahaha sorry I just love it! |
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Location: Desert Land | Thank you...hehehehe |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | You will not be able to register the foal without the papers in your name. The owner of the mare at time of breeding is the 'breeder'. The owner of the mare at time of foaling is the 'owner'. If you are not at least the second example, you will not be able to register the foal. |
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Location: Rocky Mountains | can I still send the contract with what I have now and just get them transferred this spring to register the foal or does it need to be done before the contract
Edited by Chasin97canz 2015-12-21 4:21 PM
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| You will have to have a signed transfer from the mare owner to get the papers in your name.
If you try to register the foal before transfering the mare they will ALSO have to sign a transfer for the foal.
A bill of sale will do you no good if it isnt from the original owners.
Also, if they know the mare has not been transfered from original owner, to who you got her from you will also be responsible for the transfer fees to that "middle" owner.
Just my experience. AQHA is pretty hard to deal with. |
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Location: So. California | Your best bet is to track down the registered owners on the papers. Get the transfer papers from them and have the mare registered in your name, before signing any contracts. This is just in case there are problems with the mare's papers, you want to get the mare's registration paperwork completed first before making any additional investment. |
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| I agree with the above statements. I'll add that at this point you have a grade mare until you track down the current registered owner. Most "non-backyard" stallion owners wont breed a grade mare unless she has some serious documented credentials. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | So is this the reason you were looking for a "short backed" stud in your last thread? I thought you said you weren't breeding? .... Not trying to be mean, I'm genuinely curious....  |
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Location: Rocky Mountains | My last thread had nothing to do with this mare. It was honestly for mules ok? my uncle bred terrible mules with his awful donkey. I'm not a huge fan of miles and that is why I never said anything of it.
I always had curtain studs in mind. Like Technicolours and furyofthewind ex.... I ended my search months ago.
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Location: Rocky Mountains | So her foals aren't eligible for registration as of this current point. Correct? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Chasin97canz - 2015-12-21 5:15 PM My last thread had nothing to do with this mare. It was honestly for mules ok? my uncle bred terrible mules with his awful donkey. I'm not a huge fan of miles and that is why I never said anything of it.
No need for an attitude it was an honest question. If you want help or answers on a thread you post I would suggest being nice to posters who are trying to help you instead of biting people's heads off. No one will want to help you if all you're going to do is be mean. We're a family here on BHW and noticed you needed help. Tried to help but we could'nt understand what you were asking or why so we asked more questions to try and help and got jumped for it.
Still confused as to why you were looking for studs in your last thread if you think their awful. But I'll let that subject have a rest. But I'm still confused non-the-less.  
To answer this thread's questions: As of right now, the baby would not be registerable. In the eyes of AQHA you currently have a grade horse until the papers are transfered if you are going to breed. I believe Whiteboy explained it very well. He knows a lot about breeding contracts and the legalities of breeding as far as I am concerned, and is a good person to ask for help. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | her foals aren't eligible for you to get papers on until you get the signed transfer for the mare and get the name changed to you as owner. If you are unable to get the signed transfer to send in you're sol when it comes to registering the foal.
As it is right now only the prior owner can breed and register the foals because that is who is showing as the owner of the mare,
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Location: Prosser, WA | You need to get a signed transfer from previous owner. Whatever date is put on that transfer is what AQHA will record the transfer as. You can be like the lady that bought a mare from me that didn't transfer her until after the foal was born. As soon as she transferred the mare into her name she could have registered the foal, but that is another story. LOL |
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Location: Texas | Call AQHA. Your bill of sale may work for the transfer, as long as it is signed by the owner of record on the papers. |
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| Do you have the real registration certificate?
Aqha will not accept a copy of the papers.
As others have said you need a signed transfer from the last recorded owner.
The mare also needs to be DNA tested (parantage verification also works) before they will register the foal.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Chasin97canz - 2015-12-21 3:18 PM
So her foals aren't eligible for registration as of this current point. Correct?
If she has papers but they are not in your name or are lost, you need to straighten that out before you can register any babies out of her. If the person whose name is on her papers were to breed her, those foals would be able to be registered. Because they are her owner per AQHA. It's a problem of having the correct person on her papers. It may seem to some to be a ridiculous process, but it's done this way for a reason. If people would do the paperwork like it was important (which it is for the horse's future) and when the sale or change of hands happened, many horses wouldn't end up grade for no reason other than laziness.
Do you have the original papers in your hands? If I were the one that stepped into this mess, the first thing I would do is find out who is the last recorded owner by searching on the AQHA database or calling the office. Just to make sure that person is the same as the one on her papers. Then I would turn over every rock to find that person. Without their co-operation to get a transfer to your name, the mare is grade. |
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