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   Location: Texas | Please tell me your success stories regarding stifles issues (performance horses only).
What was the problem?
How did you fix it?
What worked, what didn't?
Preferably I want to hear about horses that were barrel money earners before the treatment and after.. Thank you so much!
Edited by MarissaBerg 2016-01-04 11:34 AM
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   Location: NM | My 1D/WPRA Multi Circuit Finals Qualifying gelding, in 2010, slipped at a barrel race and tore a large hole in one of his stifle ligaments ( can't remember which one, not the ACL maybe the MCL?). His only symptom was that he quit running and turning hard, he wasn't short and didn't have any obvious swelling. Ultrasound found and diagnosed the tear. We did PRP injection followed by stall rest and hand walking, then ponied him, then did a regiment of two weeks aquatred alternated by two weeks ponying, then light riding, followed by regular conditioning. I spent about a year rehabbing before I made a run. I was paranoid about it so when my vet said one month hand walking I did two and so on. His stifle healed great but the stall rest and lack of movement exacerbated his navicular in his feet and he couldn't take being on the road to rodeos like he could before. Locally though he could still win and place in the 1D and even place at the closer rodeos. My stepdaughter ran him a couple years ago at the Texas Region 3 HS rodeos which has some of the toughest barrel racing I've seen and placed every time she didn't hit a barrel. He was 16 yo at the time of his injury. | |
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   Location: Texas | Hugo - 2016-01-04 10:49 AM
Β My 1D/WPRA Multi Circuit Finals Qualifying gelding, in 2010, slipped at a barrel race and tore a large hole in one of his stifle ligaments ( can't remember which one, not the ACL maybe the MCL?). His only symptom was that he quit running and turning hard, he wasn't short and didn't have any obvious swelling. Ultrasound found and diagnosed the tear. We did PRP injection followed by stall rest and hand walking, then ponied him, then did a regiment of two weeks aquatred alternated by two weeks ponying, then light riding, followed by regular conditioning. I spent about a year rehabbing before I made a run. I was paranoid about it so when my vet said one month hand walking I did two and so on. Β His stifle healed great but the stall rest and lack of movement exacerbated his navicular in his feet and he couldn't take being on the road to rodeos like he could before. Locally though he could still win and place in the 1D and even place at the closer rodeos. My stepdaughter ran him a couple years ago at the Texas Region 3 HS rodeos which has some of the toughest barrel racing I've seen and placed every time she didn't hit a barrel. He was 16 yo at the time of his injury.Β
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    Location: Texas | One of my best horses had surgery to clean up the cartilage in his stifle. He came back great and ran as good as ever. Also I'm a big fan of Runners Relief.
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   Location: Texas | workerbee - 2016-01-04 12:14 PM
One of my best horses had surgery to clean up the cartilage in his stifle. He came back great and ran as good as ever. Also I'm a big fan of Runners Relief.
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | workerbee - 2016-01-04 2:14 PM One of my best horses had surgery to clean up the cartilage in his stifle. He came back great and ran as good as ever. Also I'm a big fan of Runners Relief.
RR is good stuff.
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Mine isn't a money earner, but is a very nice prospect. Sorry I know you asked for proven horses, but it might help.
Sooo he grew too fast, like is now 16.2, then was sick, so was cooped up forever. Then tore his ligaments playing. Everything got sore. Really sore.
So we:
Injected SI, injected hocks, ultrasounded stifle, gave time off, blistered, then split the ligaments. Then aquatread, then re injured ligament playing, again (the darn thing was just too loose!) So 30 days off, injected stifles, blistered ligament, brought into slow work, then injected all pouches of stifles again and finally after over a year, we're almost healed up and ready to rock! He's been playing hard and no injuries in 6 months, I think we're there (fingers and toes crossed) | |
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   Location: Texas | classicpotatochip - 2016-01-04 1:15 PM
Omg the list!
Mine isn't a money earner, but is a very nice prospect. Sorry I know you asked for proven horses, but it might help.
Sooo he grew too fast, like is now 16.2, then was sick, so was cooped up forever. Then tore his ligaments playing. Everything got sore. Really sore.
So we:
Injected SI, injected hocks, ultrasounded stifle, gave time off, blistered, then split the ligaments. Then aquatread, then re injured ligament playing, again (the darn thing was just too loose!) So 30 days off, injected stifles, blistered ligament, brought into slow work, then injected all pouches of stifles again and finally after over a year, we're almost healed up and ready to rock! He's been playing hard and no injuries in 6 months, I think we're there (fingers and toes crossed)
Thank you.
Did they split them (cut) or feather the ligaments? About how long ago was it? (just curious because some of the techniques have changed in the last couple of years). | |
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       Location: North Dakota | My horse Red was currently learning the barrels (just started asking for a little speed) when we discovered he had a sticky right stifle. His would never fully lock but it would "catch", and was causing him to cross-firing on the backside of his turns. Tried injecting and that did not help. I normally rode every day anyway and tried to incorporate hill riding, cavelletti, etc. Then after that, discovered he had a fusing right hock. That responded tremendously to injections.
Thankfully, his stifle issue wasn't super severe, and I can maintain it with good exercise. I do notice that if I let him get "strung out" when we are trotting, that it will catch. If I keep him collected, then it is better. So it's always on my mind but thankfully it hasn't been too bad.
At this time, he's mostly a 2D/3D horse but he has had a couple really nice money-earning 1D runs at our local jackpots, so I'm just hoping he's slow to mature like his siblings! | |
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   Location: Texas | r_beau - 2016-01-04 1:38 PM
My horse Red was currently learning the barrels (just started asking for a little speed) when we discovered he had a sticky right stifle. His would never fully lock but it would "catch", and was causing him to cross-firing on the backside of his turns. Tried injecting and that did not help. I normally rode every day anyway and tried to incorporate hill riding, cavelletti, etc. Then after that, discovered he had a fusing right hock. That responded tremendously to injections.Β
Thankfully, his stifle issue wasn't super severe, and I can maintain it with good exercise. I do notice that if I let him get "strung out" when we are trotting, that it will catch. If I keep him collected, then it is better. So it's always on my mind but thankfully it hasn't been too bad.
At this time, he's mostly a 2D/3D horse but he has had a couple really nice money-earning 1D runs at our local jackpots, so I'm just hoping he's slow to mature like his siblings! Β
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     Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Round those toes, lateral wedge's and adequan. Cleanded it right up for me BUT, I had no tear or cartilage damage just loose sticky stifiles. I dont inject unless I absolutely have to. Good luck.
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| MarissaBerg - 2016-01-04 2:28 PM
classicpotatochip - 2016-01-04 1:15 PM
Omg the list!
Mine isn't a money earner, but is a very nice prospect. Sorry I know you asked for proven horses, but it might help.
Sooo he grew too fast, like is now 16.2, then was sick, so was cooped up forever. Then tore his ligaments playing. Everything got sore. Really sore.
So we:
Injected SI, injected hocks, ultrasounded stifle, gave time off, blistered, then split the ligaments. Then aquatread, then re injured ligament playing, again (the darn thing was just too loose!) So 30 days off, injected stifles, blistered ligament, brought into slow work, then injected all pouches of stifles again and finally after over a year, we're almost healed up and ready to rock! He's been playing hard and no injuries in 6 months, I think we're there (fingers and toes crossed)
Thank you.
Did they split them (cut ) or feather the ligaments? About how long ago was it? (just curious because some of the techniques have changed in the last couple of years ).
To my understanding: Splitting is when they use a scalpel to puncture the ligament through the skin, perforating it. This causes a roughening of the ligament, effectively causing scar tissue and shortening it. Texas A&M performed this in stocks under sedation. | |
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   Location: Texas | justcruzin - 2016-01-04 2:58 PM
Round those toes, lateral wedge's and adequan. Cleanded it right up for me BUT, I had no tear or cartilage damageΒ just loose sticky stifiles. I dont inject unless I absolutely have to. Good luck.
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   Location: Texas | classicpotatochip - 2016-01-04 2:59 PM
MarissaBerg - 2016-01-04 2:28 PM
classicpotatochip - 2016-01-04 1:15 PM
Omg the list!
Mine isn't a money earner, but is a very nice prospect. Sorry I know you asked for proven horses, but it might help.
Sooo he grew too fast, like is now 16.2, then was sick, so was cooped up forever. Then tore his ligaments playing. Everything got sore. Really sore.
So we:
Injected SI, injected hocks, ultrasounded stifle, gave time off, blistered, then split the ligaments. Then aquatread, then re injured ligament playing, again (the darn thing was just too loose!) So 30 days off, injected stifles, blistered ligament, brought into slow work, then injected all pouches of stifles again and finally after over a year, we're almost healed up and ready to rock! He's been playing hard and no injuries in 6 months, I think we're there (fingers and toes crossed)
Thank you.
Did they split them (cut ) or feather the ligaments? About how long ago was it? (just curious because some of the techniques have changed in the last couple of years ).
To my understanding: Splitting is when they use a scalpel to puncture the ligament through the skin, perforating it. This causes a roughening of the ligament, effectively causing scar tissue and shortening it. Texas A&M performed this in stocks under sedation.
Awesome, that is what I was hoping you would say. Thanks again | |
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    Location: Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-01-04 1:49 PM
workerbee - 2016-01-04 2:14 PM One of my best horses had surgery to clean up the cartilage in his stifle. He came back great and ran as good as ever. Also I'm a big fan of Runners Relief.
RR is good stuff.Β
But how are you going to wrap a stiffle?Β
I have done some creative sweating with Runners Relief. I haven't done it yet, but I would sweat a stifle by using stifle ice boots and put a cotton sheet in between the skin and the boot. In theory it works. In reality, we'll see. | |
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| I've had one with a sticky stifle. That one A and M cut. She never cam back 100%. The other one had to be injected into the ligament. Did that every 90 days and she won 1 D and rodeoed on her. I would recommend using a laser,Pentosen and then try CurOst before doing surgery . And remember the stifle is on the stomach meridian, so a lot of times if the stomach is treated (ulcers,leaky gut etc) the stifle will get better.
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| i had a mare tear her mcl ligiment. several proformance vets did not catch carried my horse to a well known proformance vet in north carolina he watched her lounge loose and told me what i had did xrays. we put her on a pentosan and i carried her back we injected her ran her once i was more scared and i did not really push her i was scared she would hurt herself. next summer i injected her and carried to a big show made one run and second run she cam out sore in other side a couple months later had a big absess pop out that foot. retired her got a 3 year old and baby by her, look just like mommy. | |
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   Location: Texas | readytorodeo - 2016-01-05 1:55 AM
I've had one with a sticky stifle. That one A and M cut. She never cam back 100%. The other one had to be injected into the ligament. Did that every 90 days and she won 1 D and rodeoed on her. I would recommend using a laser,Pentosen and then try CurOst before doing surgery . And remember the stifle is on the stomach meridian, so a lot of times if the stomach is treated (ulcers,leaky gut etc) the stifle will get better.
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   Location: Texas | daisycake123 - 2016-01-05 7:58 AM
i had a mare tear her mcl ligiment. several proformance vets did not catch carried my horse to a well known proformance vet in north carolina he watched her lounge loose and told me what i had did xrays. we put her on a pentosan and i carried her back we injected her ran her once i was more scared and i did not really push her i was scared she would hurt herself. next summer i injected her and carried to a big show made one run and second run she cam out sore in other side a couple months later had a big absess pop out that foot. retired her got a 3 year old and baby by her, look just like mommy.
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