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Location: Arkansas | outrundaizy - 2016-01-20 1:17 AM
outrundaizy - 2016-01-20 1:12 AM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-01-19 4:32 PM oija - 2016-01-19 4:08 PM outrundaizy - 2016-01-19 3:31 PM oija - 2016-01-19 2:51 PM Anytime you make a change in feed, including soaking, they may eat slower until they get used to it. He make drink less too if you are soaking because he got more water from the beet pulp and doesn't need to drink as much. Beet pulp is actually a great way to get some water into one that hasnt been drinking enough. They always drink less in winter anyway. Do you want to stick your nose down into freezing cold water?? Personally I prefer the shreds to pellet. When we feed it we soak just before (it can ferment if done the night before). And while alfalfa is certainly more nutritious sometimes when you want to feed a bulk forage to keep the gut moving beet pulp is better. Alfalfa is so nutrient and protein rich they are more likely to founder on it if overfed. You can feed more of the beet pulp without this risk. Thats what I was thinking. He isnt use to having feed soaked so im sure he just probably wasn't thirsty.  I really just want him to gain weight, but im thinking beet pulp isn't gonna be the answer for that one.. Is there anything better I can add to help him gain some weight? I could up his grain but he's on the amount he's suppose to be on for the weight he should be, not the weight he is. He was doing fine and then the vet he was staying at didn't feed him properly and we are trying to recover from this. Beet pulp is great to add bulk and forage affordably but won't put the weight on one as much. You need to add a high quality fat source, stabilized rice bran, flax seed, or oil, just not corn. It can make one a bit hyped but nothing puts weight on one faster than Ultium in my experience. Most commercial feeds have 3-6 percent fat. It is 10 percent. Anytime one is underweight too, usually a good idea to check teeth, worm and check or treat for ulcers. ETA: Ultium is a beet pulp based feed.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Add Forco to feed. If the gut flora ain't right not much will make a difference. I feed corn oats vitamin E and soy mix .They look like fat piggys | |
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Location: North Dakota | outrundaizy - 2016-01-20 1:12 AM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-01-19 4:32 PM oija - 2016-01-19 4:08 PM outrundaizy - 2016-01-19 3:31 PM oija - 2016-01-19 2:51 PM Anytime you make a change in feed, including soaking, they may eat slower until they get used to it. He make drink less too if you are soaking because he got more water from the beet pulp and doesn't need to drink as much. Beet pulp is actually a great way to get some water into one that hasnt been drinking enough. They always drink less in winter anyway. Do you want to stick your nose down into freezing cold water?? Personally I prefer the shreds to pellet. When we feed it we soak just before (it can ferment if done the night before). And while alfalfa is certainly more nutritious sometimes when you want to feed a bulk forage to keep the gut moving beet pulp is better. Alfalfa is so nutrient and protein rich they are more likely to founder on it if overfed. You can feed more of the beet pulp without this risk. Thats what I was thinking. He isnt use to having feed soaked so im sure he just probably wasn't thirsty. I really just want him to gain weight, but im thinking beet pulp isn't gonna be the answer for that one.. Is there anything better I can add to help him gain some weight? I could up his grain but he's on the amount he's suppose to be on for the weight he should be, not the weight he is. He was doing fine and then the vet he was staying at didn't feed him properly and we are trying to recover from this. Beet pulp is great to add bulk and forage affordably but won't put the weight on one as much. You need to add a high quality fat source, stabilized rice bran, flax seed, or oil, just not corn. It can make one a bit hyped but nothing puts weight on one faster than Ultium in my experience. Most commercial feeds have 3-6 percent fat. It is 10 percent. Anytime one is underweight too, usually a good idea to check teeth, worm and check or treat for ulcers. ETA: Ultium is a beet pulp based feed.
I fed and still feed Ultium competition.
During the weight gain stage I fed 3 lbs of Ultium, a pound of Amplify, 3 cups of pelleted beet pulp (3 cups dry then soaked), free choice brome grass hay, and about 2 flakes of alfalfa per day. Within 60 days he was looking like a million bucks and was feeling like it too.
His maintenance feed (when he is being ridden consistently) is about 2 cups of beet pulp, 1 pound of Ultium, and free choice native grass. I also started adding Platinum CJ this last summer and very much like the results.
His winter ration is 2 cups of beet pulp (dry then soaked), Platinum, free choice hay, and alfalfa. This winter he has held his weight great, so I haven't added the Ultium. I will wait until he starts getting exercised regularly to add that back in because it gives them A LOT of energy.
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Location: N Texas | I used to feed the pellets because I got more for the money, but have switched to shreds because they are easier.
When I fed pellets, I soaked them for maybe 30 minutes or so (until they were "fluffy" and no longer in pellet form). Yes, they expand to take up at least double the space they do when dry. I would fill the bucket halfway with pellets, and then fill the water all the way to the top. They absorb A LOT of water.
With the shreds, I put them in the bucket, pour in the water (I fill the water to the top of the shreds, not the top of the bucket) and then immediately feed, I don't leave them soaking. Partly because I put them in my horse's bucket, then put his feed on top, so by the time he eats his feed, the shreds have had a chance to soak.
You can feed them dry, but it's not recommended because your horse can choke. If a horse eats dry beet pulp (shreds or pellets), it won't make their stomach explode when it expands, I don't know where that myth even came from. Honestly, choking is your biggest concern when feeding it dry, but lots of horses eat it dry with no problem.
I read somewhere once that you can replace up to 40% of a horse's forage with beet pulp, so you are definitely not feeding too much.
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | outrundaizy - 2016-01-19 3:31 PM
oija - 2016-01-19 2:51 PM Anytime you make a change in feed, including soaking, they may eat slower until they get used to it. He make drink less too if you are soaking because he got more water from the beet pulp and doesn't need to drink as much. Beet pulp is actually a great way to get some water into one that hasnt been drinking enough. They always drink less in winter anyway. Do you want to stick your nose down into freezing cold water?? Personally I prefer the shreds to pellet. When we feed it we soak just before (it can ferment if done the night before). And while alfalfa is certainly more nutritious sometimes when you want to feed a bulk forage to keep the gut moving beet pulp is better. Alfalfa is so nutrient and protein rich they are more likely to founder on it if overfed. You can feed more of the beet pulp without this risk.
Thats what I was thinking. He isnt use to having feed soaked so im sure he just probably wasn't thirsty. Â I really just want him to gain weight, but im thinking beet pulp isn't gonna be the answer for that one.. Is there anything better I can add to help him gain some weight? I could up his grain but he's on the amount he's suppose to be on for the weight he should be, not the weight he is. He was doing fine and then the vet he was staying at didn't feed him properly and we are trying to recover from this.Â
Senior feed. You can feed much larger amounts at one time than what you're feeding now. Splitting it into two or more feedings per day is ideal. | |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-01-20 8:59 AM
outrundaizy - 2016-01-20 1:12 AM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-01-19 4:32 PM oija - 2016-01-19 4:08 PM outrundaizy - 2016-01-19 3:31 PM oija - 2016-01-19 2:51 PM Anytime you make a change in feed, including soaking, they may eat slower until they get used to it. He make drink less too if you are soaking because he got more water from the beet pulp and doesn't need to drink as much. Beet pulp is actually a great way to get some water into one that hasnt been drinking enough. They always drink less in winter anyway. Do you want to stick your nose down into freezing cold water?? Personally I prefer the shreds to pellet. When we feed it we soak just before (it can ferment if done the night before). And while alfalfa is certainly more nutritious sometimes when you want to feed a bulk forage to keep the gut moving beet pulp is better. Alfalfa is so nutrient and protein rich they are more likely to founder on it if overfed. You can feed more of the beet pulp without this risk. Thats what I was thinking. He isnt use to having feed soaked so im sure he just probably wasn't thirsty.  I really just want him to gain weight, but im thinking beet pulp isn't gonna be the answer for that one.. Is there anything better I can add to help him gain some weight? I could up his grain but he's on the amount he's suppose to be on for the weight he should be, not the weight he is. He was doing fine and then the vet he was staying at didn't feed him properly and we are trying to recover from this. Beet pulp is great to add bulk and forage affordably but won't put the weight on one as much. You need to add a high quality fat source, stabilized rice bran, flax seed, or oil, just not corn. It can make one a bit hyped but nothing puts weight on one faster than Ultium in my experience. Most commercial feeds have 3-6 percent fat. It is 10 percent. Anytime one is underweight too, usually a good idea to check teeth, worm and check or treat for ulcers. ETA: Ultium is a beet pulp based feed.
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During the weight gain stage I fed 3 lbs of Ultium, a pound of Amplify, 3 cups of pelleted beet pulp (3 cups dry then soaked), free choice brome grass hay, and about 2 flakes of alfalfa per day. Within 60 days he was looking like a million bucks and was feeling like it too.
His maintenance feed (when he is being ridden consistently) is about 2 cups of beet pulp, 1 pound of Ultium, and free choice native grass. I also started adding Platinum CJ this last summer and very much like the results.
His winter ration is 2 cups of beet pulp (dry then soaked), Platinum, free choice hay, and alfalfa. This winter he has held his weight great, so I haven't added the Ultium. I will wait until he starts getting exercised regularly to add that back in because it gives them A LOT of energy.Â
Yes Ultium competitions. Growth is only until they are 2 year olds.
I fed this stuff pretty heavy to get him to gain weight. I fed something like 12 lbs a day divided over two feedings with free choice coastal. He gained a tremendous amount of weight in like 45 days. Then I backed him down to more like 7 lbs and he maintained weight really well. We also wormed him and I do add Forco now to our horses getting grain to help them get everything out of their feed they can. | |
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