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| I’m looking into taking my daughter, who is 12, to a Team Josey clinic. She has a new horse who is finished, but needs to learn where her hands need to be and positioning her horse in the turns. I’ve searched through the threads and have found good reviews and that they are pretty much geared for beginners and kids, but I’m wanting to know a few more specifics like..
How much saddle time was there or was there a lot of down time where you were just sitting and waiting?
Did you make a lot of fast runs or did you mainly do slow work?
Did they address each student individually where needed or did they teach the same things across the board for all?
I really want to make sure she is in a positive atmosphere. Did everyone seem happy or were people leaving the arena in tears?
Thank you in advance for any insight anyone can give!
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How much saddle time was there or was there a lot of down time where you were just sitting and waiting?
You're in the saddle A LOT. They generally break you up into groups and have each group doing something separate such as drills, private one on one, or watching a video of your Friday run.
Did you make a lot of fast runs or did you mainly do slow work? You will do a run on Friday night that they will tape for reference, then Saturday your in the saddle almost ALL day. They will have you do drills, private sessions, they really mix it up so they address everything you have.
Did they address each student individually where needed or did they teach the same things across the board for all? See above. They will help you individually as well as in a group.
I really want to make sure she is in a positive atmosphere. Did everyone seem happy or were people leaving the arena in tears? Ty, Lisa and Gary are all soooo wonderful. They are positive and they keep everything in a safe contained environment. You will see amateurs all the way up to pros at these clinics and they really break it down for each type of rider. I went with a newly purchased 1-D horse that just needed some fine tuning and it really did the job. There is no real cut off on age or ability. | |
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| mlh0972 - 2016-01-28 10:27 AM
How much saddle time was there or was there a lot of down time where you were just sitting and waiting?
You're in the saddle A LOT. They generally break you up into groups and have each group doing something separate such as drills, private one on one, or watching a video of your Friday run.
Did you make a lot of fast runs or did you mainly do slow work? You will do a run on Friday night that they will tape for reference, then Saturday your in the saddle almost ALL day. They will have you do drills, private sessions, they really mix it up so they address everything you have.
Did they address each student individually where needed or did they teach the same things across the board for all? See above. They will help you individually as well as in a group.
I really want to make sure she is in a positive atmosphere. Did everyone seem happy or were people leaving the arena in tears? Ty, Lisa and Gary are all soooo wonderful. They are positive and they keep everything in a safe contained environment. You will see amateurs all the way up to pros at these clinics and they really break it down for each type of rider. I went with a newly purchased 1-D horse that just needed some fine tuning and it really did the job. There is no real cut off on age or ability.
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| I've been to a 7 day clinic at Josey Ranch, and I just love her team. They are so helpful, and really nice people. You ride a lot, a lot of focus on slow work is given because that's where you learn best, they really try to help you with the specific issues you are having (Mine was my first barrel, we tried several things, and ended up changing bits and she was like a different horse). I never saw anyone get upset or anything, because they are all very upbeat (Martha herself was so cheerful it was almost exhausting. haha) and very encouraging.
I'm not sure how the Team Josey Clinics are, but at the ranch for the 7 day, they split us by how advanced we were into 4 groups. So It wasn't all geared towards beginners at all, they adjust to however experienced you are - from only trotting the pattern to winning the 1D.
All in all, I would LOVE to go back to the ranch, because honestly, 7 days just isn't enough. haha I loved the atmosphere, unfortunately it will be with a different horse if I ever go back because the one I took before is retired to baby duty now after she got hurt. | |
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Location: NC | I went to a team Josey weekend clinic last year as a auditor and wasn't impressed. To me they just did the barrel pattern over and over. there was a lot of riding but there were a lot of people like three groups of 15 or so. and they rotated between working with Tye on the pattern in the arena where he would have them sorta breeze through a few times and remark on where their hands were and stuff. and then they spent time with an older guy outside (really nice and laid back but can't think of his name) where he did some slow work on the pattern and worked up to cantering through, and they spent time with a Ty's wife looking at videos of their runs from the night before. to me it was tooooo much of the same thing over and over.
I also went to a Kristen Weaver Brown weekend clinic as an auditor and was very impressed. Kristen's they were on their horses pretty much all day each day. besides the day she got on everyones horses. She started with basic horsemanship, then worked on drills that helped with hand plaecment and properly turning a barrel, and then ended on working the pattern. I LOVED her clinic. She also checked and talked about everyones tack. She was so laid back and nice and really gave everyone good one on one time. I WISH so bad I could have had a horse ready to take. crossing my fingers I will next time. | |
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| HorsesNHarleys - 2016-01-28 1:58 PM
I went to a team Josey weekend clinic last year as a auditor and wasn't impressed. To me they just did the barrel pattern over and over. there was a lot of riding but there were a lot of people like three groups of 15 or so. and they rotated between working with Tye on the pattern in the arena where he would have them sorta breeze through a few times and remark on where their hands were and stuff. and then they spent time with an older guy outside (really nice and laid back but can't think of his name) where he did some slow work on the pattern and worked up to cantering through, and they spent time with a Ty's wife looking at videos of their runs from the night before. to me it was tooooo much of the same thing over and over.
I also went to a Kristen Weaver Brown weekend clinic as an auditor and was very impressed. Kristen's they were on their horses pretty much all day each day. besides the day she got on everyones horses. She started with basic horsemanship, then worked on drills that helped with hand plaecment and properly turning a barrel, and then ended on working the pattern. I LOVED her clinic. She also checked and talked about everyones tack. She was so laid back and nice and really gave everyone good one on one time. I WISH so bad I could have had a horse ready to take. crossing my fingers I will next time.
I see your point on the repetition thing and for myself it would probably get old quick however I'm actually thinking for her age (12) that maybe a good thing just as long as it is done slow and quiet. I've heard great things about Kristen Weaver Brown but unfortunately we do not have her coming to our area. :( Hopefully next year she will and we will be able to go! :) | |
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| HorsesNHarleys - 2016-01-28 1:58 PM
I went to a team Josey weekend clinic last year as a auditor and wasn't impressed. To me they just did the barrel pattern over and over. there was a lot of riding but there were a lot of people like three groups of 15 or so. and they rotated between working with Tye on the pattern in the arena where he would have them sorta breeze through a few times and remark on where their hands were and stuff. and then they spent time with an older guy outside (really nice and laid back but can't think of his name) where he did some slow work on the pattern and worked up to cantering through, and they spent time with a Ty's wife looking at videos of their runs from the night before. to me it was tooooo much of the same thing over and over.
I also went to a Kristen Weaver Brown weekend clinic as an auditor and was very impressed. Kristen's they were on their horses pretty much all day each day. besides the day she got on everyones horses. She started with basic horsemanship, then worked on drills that helped with hand plaecment and properly turning a barrel, and then ended on working the pattern. I LOVED her clinic. She also checked and talked about everyones tack. She was so laid back and nice and really gave everyone good one on one time. I WISH so bad I could have had a horse ready to take. crossing my fingers I will next time.
I'm a firm believer that you can't overdue slow work and repetition at the trot. So I liked that the Josey's made people focus on the slow work, especially when most young kids only want to run run run.
ETA: There would be no way, no how that any clinician is getting on my horse. Ever. Been there, done that, nearly had a ruined horse because of it. No thank you.
Edited by FlyingHigh1454 2016-01-28 1:28 PM
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Location: NC | I actually didn't think Josey focused enough on slow work...
I like the idea of the clinician riding the horses because I feel like they can better instruct you when they know what you are working with.
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| HorsesNHarleys - 2016-01-28 1:35 PM
I actually didn't think Josey focused enough on slow work...
I like the idea of the clinician riding the horses because I feel like they can better instruct you when they know what you are working with.
JMO :-)
I love Ty, Ms. Lisa and Gary! I have been to 3 clinics in past years but stopped by at the clinic you are referring to and they had well over 50 people in it. It is nearly impossible to spend the one on one time needed with this many people. The Josey clinics I attended were years ago with around 10-15 people when Chad Crider still taught. He actually rode every horse at our clinic.
I also attended the KWB clinic and loved it! Learned SO much!
Both clinics were priced similar but I feel I really got my money's worth at the KWB clinic.
I beleive by allowing them to ride your horse they can help you that much more!
Josey clinics are good for beginners because Team Josey are about the sweetest people! Gary and Ty are so encouraging to youngsters. However, some other clinicians offer more one on one time and advances skills being taught!
Edited by Blueridgedreaming 2016-01-28 10:04 PM
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Location: Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-01-28 1:26 PM
HorsesNHarleys - 2016-01-28 1:58 PM
I went to a team Josey weekend clinic last year as a auditor and wasn't impressed. To me they just did the barrel pattern over and over. there was a lot of riding but there were a lot of people like three groups of 15 or so. and they rotated between working with Tye on the pattern in the arena where he would have them sorta breeze through a few times and remark on where their hands were and stuff. and then they spent time with an older guy outside (really nice and laid back but can't think of his name) where he did some slow work on the pattern and worked up to cantering through, and they spent time with a Ty's wife looking at videos of their runs from the night before. to me it was tooooo much of the same thing over and over.
I also went to a Kristen Weaver Brown weekend clinic as an auditor and was very impressed. Kristen's they were on their horses pretty much all day each day. besides the day she got on everyones horses. She started with basic horsemanship, then worked on drills that helped with hand plaecment and properly turning a barrel, and then ended on working the pattern. I LOVED her clinic. She also checked and talked about everyones tack. She was so laid back and nice and really gave everyone good one on one time. I WISH so bad I could have had a horse ready to take. crossing my fingers I will next time.
I'm a firm believer that you can't overdue slow work and repetition at the trot. So I liked that the Josey's made people focus on the slow work, especially when most young kids only want to run run run.
ETA: There would be no way, no how that any clinician is getting on my horse. Ever. Been there, done that, nearly had a ruined horse because of it. No thank you.
I actually ride all the horses that come to the clinics or for private lessons. I've never messed one up, quite the contrary, lol. It is hard to know what a horse feels like until you get on them. If I can feel a horse then I can understand the issues better.
I usually put people on my horses too. Never had one of them get messed up either... and they're pretty nice ponies. I figure if I've done my homework and my horses are broke and solid, then someone isn't going to mess that up in an hour. As a matter of fact, at the clinics they may have 6 or 7 people getting on them back to back. I've never had a problem. If someone messed up your horse by hopping on at a clinic, then they weren't much of a clinician. Please don't judge all of us because of one bad experience.
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| HorsesNHarleys - 2016-01-28 2:35 PM
I actually didn't think Josey focused enough on slow work...
I like the idea of the clinician riding the horses because I feel like they can better instruct you when they know what you are working with.
JMO :-)
I'm not sure about the short clinics since, like I said, I haven't been to one, but I know the 7 day, you spend hours every day doing slow work. Literally 4 different types of slow work, then you might lope through once, then go back to slow work, throw in some pole work to mix it up, then back to slow work. I'm not entirely sure how much more slow work you can do to be honest with you.
I have let clinicians have full control of my horse two times, and both times were disastrous - for the horse and the clinicians. If they can't explain what they want to me, then they sure as heck can't explain it to the horse, and I am a lot more forgiving than my mare is.
ETA: You definitely got the 'weren't much of a clinician' part right - since the horse wasn't there for training, it was there to be used as an example of an awesome horse, so not sure why she was 'fixing' anything. haha, but that mare was already on the nervous side (which we had told her), and it took us a long time to get her where she was at that point, and they literally set her back months, if not years, of training that took a lot of sweet talking and confidence building to get back. Luckily, once she calmed back down and came back to me, I was able to do damage control and get her mostly back to where she was in about a month, but she would still have episodes of panic for about 6 months after that I blamed on that incident. It wasn't barrels or even under saddle, it was showmanship, but that made it worse since her whole ground work had to be revisited.
Edited by FlyingHigh1454 2016-01-29 12:21 AM
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