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| What are your thoughts on him?? Do you think he will go down the same path as A Smooth Guy (become a good sire, sire lots of winners) Thank you!! |
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| The Myers have an excellent reputation and excellent contacts and excellent marketing strategies. If he fails as a sire it won't be because he didn't have a fair chance. I think he will do well. |
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| I believe they see something in him that they believe makes him a good candidate to follow in their other stallions footsteps. Like the poster above me said, I am sure he will have plenty opportunity to prove himself as a competitor and producer. Only time will tell.
I feel like I trust their knowledge and program enough that I would take a risk and breed to him while he is young. |
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| That is what I thought. Does he have a live foal guarantee? ? |
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| barrelracer63046304 - 2016-02-19 2:02 PM
That is what I thought. Does he have a live foal guarantee? ?
I'm sure he does. |
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Location: Desert Land | barrelracer63046304 - 2016-02-19 12:02 PM That is what I thought. Does he have a live foal guarantee? ?
I can't imagine why he wouldn't. The only time I have ever seen where a LFG is NOT offered is if there is limited semen available on a deceased stallion. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | He's sure a good looking sucker. I would breed to any of their sons of FG except A Smooth Guy just because he isn't 5 panel Negative. I think with their program those 2 young stallions will have the best of opportunities and get their offspring in the best hands. They should be just as successful. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-19 9:56 PM
He's sure a good looking sucker. I would breed to any of their sons of FG except A Smooth Guy just because he isn't 5 panel Negative. I think with their program those 2 young stallions will have the best of opportunities and get their offspring in the best hands. They should be just as successful.
I honestly am surprised they are even still standing him. I don't care what he has produced, for people who claim to want to produce the best, you'd think they would stop breeding their MULTIPLE disease carrying stallion. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-19 8:14 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-19 9:56 PM
He's sure a good looking sucker. I would breed to any of their sons of FG except A Smooth Guy just because he isn't 5 panel Negative. I think with their program those 2 young stallions will have the best of opportunities and get their offspring in the best hands. They should be just as successful.
I honestly am surprised they are even still standing him. I don't care what he has produced, for people who claim to want to produce the best, you'd think they would stop breeding their MULTIPLE disease carrying stallion.
I don't see the problem. The disorders he has are recessive. Recessives don't affect the carrier. The only time it would be a problem is if someone bred another carrier to him. In which case only 25% of the offspring from that mating would be double positive and affected by the disorder.
I'm MUCH more against people breeding positive DOMINANT disorder horses. People do that too. To ME that's just crazy. But I'm not the owner so I don't have any say in that.
I think he's got a LOT to offer and would be very disappointed if they stopped breeding him.
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| I'm breeding to ASG this spring. I seen all the junior stallions at their annual sale last August and he was by far my favorite he is beautiful and a phenomenal mover. The other two younger stallions were nice and I'm sure they will promote them just as well ! I don't think you can go wrong with their program no matter which stallion you choose ! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-19 9:14 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-19 9:56 PM He's sure a good looking sucker. I would breed to any of their sons of FG except A Smooth Guy just because he isn't 5 panel Negative. I think with their program those 2 young stallions will have the best of opportunities and get their offspring in the best hands. They should be just as successful. I honestly am surprised they are even still standing him. I don't care what he has produced, for people who claim to want to produce the best, you'd think they would stop breeding their MULTIPLE disease carrying stallion.
I know many don't agree and that is their business. But I don't see any reason to continue to produce anything that may or may not sire other carriers. I understand how it works. I understand how the mare must test as well. I don't care. When there are a hundered other stallions out there just as nice, bred just as well. I say geld those that are not N/N. There are too many idiots that will get a son or daughter of his and not be responsible how they continue to breed and just keep passing that down. A lot of good it did to even test him  |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Doc O Lena and Dry Doc were both carriers of HERDA. There are many GREAT horses out there that have them in their pedigree. I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-20 12:21 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-19 9:14 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-19 9:56 PM He's sure a good looking sucker. I would breed to any of their sons of FG except A Smooth Guy just because he isn't 5 panel Negative. I think with their program those 2 young stallions will have the best of opportunities and get their offspring in the best hands. They should be just as successful. I honestly am surprised they are even still standing him. I don't care what he has produced, for people who claim to want to produce the best, you'd think they would stop breeding their MULTIPLE disease carrying stallion.
Agreed, too many 5 panel negative sons of FG out there to breed ones who aren't. It's just not responsible breeding IMO, and it's unfortunate more people don't think like that because if everyone felt that way, we could eliminate these diseases in the gene pool and we would never have to worry about them again. But people could never work together like that.
I have even LESS respect for people who breed dominate disease horses. I actually had someone say that there is nothing wrong with HYPP and that only ignorant people have an issue with it when I asked about the status of a horse I saw for sale...... This is why AQHA should be stricter on the 5 panel results. |
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| The 5 panel testing was just a money grubbing event for AQHA to make millions along with
UC at Davis. Isn't it strange UC is the only lab recognized by AQHA??
It was just like the EVA tests and shots and the culprits that spread it across the country
were never held responsible but everyone got charged and forced to comply via AQHA
and many stallion owners were saddled with vet bills trying to save their stallions after
the "vaccine" gave them the disease.
It is like HYPP and Impressive .... he got his DNA chain mutated with the heavy use of
steroids by his halter horse trainers. Never a word about the abuse .. instead AQHA
put the trainers in the Hall Of Fame.
I have been amazed over the past few years that the drug companies seem to have ample
supplies of vaccines lying in storage for whatever fad disease shows up ..
Humans are not that lucky ...
I have been heavy into horses all my life and so has many other old friends of mine and
none of us has ever seen a horse with HERDA ... sun scald and rain rot but never HERDA.
And neither have any of you ...
Try asking AQHA or the National Vet Associations to give you a yearly head count, with pictures
and pedigree //registered papers ..
you will die of old age before you receive an answer. They have never seen one either!!
Don't take my word for it ... call AQHA 806-376-4811 and ask how many foals were
reported from stallions or mares with any of the 5 panel diseases.
As famous as the DOC BAR // POCO TIVIO // POCO BUENO crosses were and as many times
as they have been inbred ....... you would think every cutter would have a dozen in their
pastures with all the hide sloughed off their backs. Of all these stallions and mares you
have yet to see a picture, an article or case of HERDA ..
If you do not have 4 composite photos and the registered papers of the horse .... don't waste
your time flaming me .. lol ... if you do your research you will find the pictures you find are
from Mexico and South America due to their hot steamy tropical weather.
Guess I had better go put on some body armor ... lol
BTW .. Myers has this right on their stallion brochure ..
A SMOOTH GUY
DISEASE PANEL TEST RESULTS
• HERDA N/HRD – Carries one copy of the HERDA Gene
• GBED – Heterozygous (One Normal and One GBED Gene)
• HYPP – NEGATIVE • MH – NEGATIVE • PSSM1 – NEGATIVE
Keep in mind that both sire and dam must have the gene in order for it to be expressed in the offspring. The HERDA trait is most frequently seen in the Poco Bueno line of horses. The GBED trait is traced back to King or his sire Zantanon. No GBED defect has been found in Thoroughbreds. For additional questions or information please call us @ 605-642-9789.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-02-20 5:01 PM
The 5 panel testing was just a money grubbing event for AQHA to make millions along with
UC at Davis. Isn't it strange UC is the only lab recognized by AQHA??
It was just like the EVA tests and shots and the culprits that spread it across the country
were never held responsible but everyone got charged and forced to comply via AQHA
and many stallion owners were saddled with vet bills trying to save their stallions after
the "vaccine" gave them the disease.
It is like HYPP and Impressive .... he got his DNA chain mutated with the heavy use of
steroids by his halter horse trainers. Never a word about the abuse .. instead AQHA
put the trainers in the Hall Of Fame.
I have been amazed over the past few years that the drug companies seem to have ample
supplies of vaccines lying in storage for whatever fad disease shows up ..
Humans are not that lucky ...
I have been heavy into horses all my life and so has many other old friends of mine and
none of us has ever seen a horse with HERDA ... sun scald and rain rot but never HERDA.
And neither have any of you ...
Try asking AQHA or the National Vet Associations to give you a yearly head count, with pictures
and pedigree //registered papers ..
you will die of old age before you receive an answer. They have never seen one either!!
Don't take my word for it ... call AQHA 806-376-4811 and ask how many foals were
reported from stallions or mares with any of the 5 panel diseases.
As famous as the DOC BAR // POCO TIVIO // POCO BUENO crosses were and as many times
as they have been inbred ....... you would think every cutter would have a dozen in their
pastures with all the hide sloughed off their backs. Of all these stallions and mares you
have yet to see a picture, an article or case of HERDA ..
If you do not have 4 composite photos and the registered papers of the horse .... don't waste
your time flaming me .. lol ... if you do your research you will find the pictures you find are
from Mexico and South America due to their hot steamy tropical weather.
Guess I had better go put on some body armor ... lol
BTW .. Myers has this right on their stallion brochure ..
A SMOOTH GUY
DISEASE PANEL TEST RESULTS
• HERDA N/HRD – Carries one copy of the HERDA Gene
• GBED – Heterozygous (One Normal and One GBED Gene)
• HYPP – NEGATIVE • MH – NEGATIVE • PSSM1 – NEGATIVE
Keep in mind that both sire and dam must have the gene in order for it to be expressed in the offspring. The HERDA trait is most frequently seen in the Poco Bueno line of horses. The GBED trait is traced back to King or his sire Zantanon. No GBED defect has been found in Thoroughbreds. For additional questions or information please call us @ 605-642-9789.
A lot of your rant about AQHA is False. Your last paragraph from Myers about ASG is true.
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Location: north dakota | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-19 10:14 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-19 9:56 PM
He's sure a good looking sucker. I would breed to any of their sons of FG except A Smooth Guy just because he isn't 5 panel Negative. I think with their program those 2 young stallions will have the best of opportunities and get their offspring in the best hands. They should be just as successful.
I honestly am surprised they are even still standing him. I don't care what he has produced, for people who claim to want to produce the best, you'd think they would stop breeding their MULTIPLE disease carrying stallion.
Hypothetically let's say you find out your husband/wife is a carrier of sickle cell anemia or another recessive inherited disease. Would you not have kids with them even though there perfect in your eyes in every other aspect and you are not a carrier and have 0% chance of your kids having the disease. |
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| ndcowgirl - 2016-02-20 10:48 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-19 10:14 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-19 9:56 PM
He's sure a good looking sucker. I would breed to any of their sons of FG except A Smooth Guy just because he isn't 5 panel Negative. I think with their program those 2 young stallions will have the best of opportunities and get their offspring in the best hands. They should be just as successful.
I honestly am surprised they are even still standing him. I don't care what he has produced, for people who claim to want to produce the best, you'd think they would stop breeding their MULTIPLE disease carrying stallion.
Hypothetically let's say you find out your husband/wife is a carrier of sickle cell anemia or another recessive inherited disease. Would you not have kids with them even though there perfect in your eyes in every other aspect and you are not a carrier and have 0% chance of your kids having the disease.
Correct, because my grandkids could. Or my great grand kids could, or their children, or their children after that. People need to quit being selfish and think about others for once in their life. It's not like horses, or humans, for the example, are endangered and need to be bred. There are thousands of perfectly healthy horses left abandoned or slaughtered every year while people keep breeding these diseased horses. There are millions of healthy children waiting to be adopted.
This is not bettering the breed, it's trying to make a quick buck. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-20 10:00 PM ndcowgirl - 2016-02-20 10:48 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-19 10:14 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-19 9:56 PM He's sure a good looking sucker. I would breed to any of their sons of FG except A Smooth Guy just because he isn't 5 panel Negative. I think with their program those 2 young stallions will have the best of opportunities and get their offspring in the best hands. They should be just as successful. I honestly am surprised they are even still standing him. I don't care what he has produced, for people who claim to want to produce the best, you'd think they would stop breeding their MULTIPLE disease carrying stallion. Hypothetically let's say you find out your husband/wife is a carrier of sickle cell anemia or another recessive inherited disease. Would you not have kids with them even though there perfect in your eyes in every other aspect and you are not a carrier and have 0% chance of your kids having the disease. Correct, because my grandkids could. Or my great grand kids could, or their children, or their children after that. People need to quit being selfish and think about others for once in their life. It's not like horses, or humans, for the example, are endangered and need to be bred. There are thousands of perfectly healthy horses left abandoned or slaughtered every year while people keep breeding these diseased horses. There are millions of healthy children waiting to be adopted. This is not bettering the breed, it's trying to make a quick buck.
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