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donk Reg. Sep 2009	Posted 2016-04-08 9:49 AM Subject: Breeding-color question
Veteran Posts: 242	I know color doesn't matter, but my daughter wants to breed her mare and we were wondering what the color possiblities would be? Her mare is solid black and her sire was too-don't know about the dam. She is considering breeding to a chestnut with a flax mane and tail (firewater breeding). Sorry I don't have more information on sire/dam colors I know that would help more. Is there any possibility she could get a buckskin?
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hoofs_in_motion Reg. Apr 2011	Posted 2016-04-08 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Breeding-color question
Undercover Amish Mafia Member Posts: 9992 Location: Kansas	http://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/CCalculator1.asp
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majiksummer Reg. Aug 2015	Posted 2016-04-08 10:17 AM Subject: RE: Breeding-color question
Member Posts: 35	If the stud is actually a chestnut not a palomino then no. To get a buckskin you have to have a cream gene on a bay(agouti) base. Horses with cream genes are palominos, buckskins, cremellos, smoky blacks. Here is a neat calculator for colors http://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/CCalculator1.asp Based on what I put in there the probabilities would be 37.50% chance Bay 37.50% chance Black 25.00% chance Red (sorrel/chestnut) If the stud is palomino the chances are 18.75% Bay 18.75% Smoky Black 18.75% Black 18.75% Buckskin 12.50% Red (sorrel/chestnut) 12.50% Palomino That said, I have no problem with people breeding for color. I find that a colored horse sells way easier than an equal quality sorrel or bay typically. My only caveat is that you always place WAY WAY more emphasis on the quality of the stud than the color. But if two studs are equally nice and one is more likely to throw color than the other I'll breed to the one that throws color.
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donk Reg. Sep 2009	Posted 2016-04-08 10:26 AM Subject: RE: Breeding-color question
Veteran Posts: 242	I agree. I found 2 Firewater studs I like. 1 a buckskin that I would have to ship semen. I like him- his conformation, videos etc. just don't know him. 2- the chestnut- we know him from our hs rodeo region. Very quiet , versatile-excellent poles, barrels, goats, roping. I like his size and conformation and I can take the mare there. Honestly I like the chestnut the best between the 2, I just know my daughter would like or prefer another black or buckskin-lol. She knows color doesn't matter. We are breeding because we really like our mare and would like a nice solid consistent horse. Not planning to sell. Hoping for a nice big show 2d horse- not a nfr horse. Thank you for the information :)
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RacingQH Reg. Aug 2004	Posted 2016-04-09 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Breeding-color question
The Color Specialist Posts: 7530 Location: Washington. (The DRY side.)	Pick the horse you like the best. Because even if you were to breed to the buckskin, you are not guaranteed "color". You could easily get a "plain old red" baby either way.
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Serenity06 Reg. Feb 2011	Posted 2016-04-09 11:12 PM Subject: RE: Breeding-color question
Elite Veteran Posts: 1165 Location: California	majiksummer - 2016-04-08 9:17 AM If the stud is actually a chestnut not a palomino then no. To get a buckskin you have to have a cream gene on a bay(agouti) base. Horses with cream genes are palominos, buckskins, cremellos, smoky blacks. Here is a neat calculator for colors http://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/CCalculator1.asp Based on what I put in there the probabilities would be 37.50% chance Bay 37.50% chance Black 25.00% chance Red (sorrel/chestnut) If the stud is palomino the chances are 18.75% Bay 18.75% Smoky Black 18.75% Black 18.75% Buckskin 12.50% Red (sorrel/chestnut) 12.50% Palomino That said, I have no problem with people breeding for color. I find that a colored horse sells way easier than an equal quality sorrel or bay typically. My only caveat is that you always place WAY WAY more emphasis on the quality of the stud than the color. But if two studs are equally nice and one is more likely to throw color than the other I'll breed to the one that throws color. Perlinos and smoky creams are also horses with cream. While AQHA doesn't recognize smoky cream it it a black horse with 2 cream genes.
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