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Location: Texas | Mighty Broke - 2016-03-30 11:05 AM
This is all well and good but I have never found a correlation between the attitude of a stud and that of his get. I personally know of some studs that are borderline outlaws that consisently put wonerfully tempermented foals on the ground.
100% with you on this! Some of the old time studs were super bad! | |
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luckyjo - 2016-03-29 1:51 PM I really believe the mare's temperament is the more important factor. Lol on the comment on mare's temperament - Â You are absolutely right! She is testy which is why I want to tone things down a bit! Â And I know folks say dont breed a testy minded mare but a lot of that testiness is closely linked to try and grit. I am just wanting to manage my resourses lol! And my health. If I bred her to a testy light minded pea-heart I could end up in a world of hurt!Â
And thank you so much to all who responded> this was exactly what I hoped for and I deeply appreciate it. Pretty pictures of studs and pedigrees are great, but you cant see what's inside the ears. I love El Scorcho but you are too far away. :( Â and for the gray stus I have followed and like him for years and blessing to you. I also love Etbauers stallions and the Etbauers themselves. Wonderful folks indeed. Â Many of the other great horses noted are on my LOVE list, but out of $$ range this year. After lots of homework (including the fact that he is at Weatherford only 2 hours from me) I have decided on Royal and Famous, booked today. I am VERY excited.
Again thank you so much BHW folks, what a resource and I am so glad I asked my question. Â Blessings to all! Â SK
My folks have a Bully daughter that is as testy as they come. I have 4 of her produce and none are like her. They are by Takin On The Cash, Dash Ta Fame, Scrutinizer and Pappasito. The Scrutinizer is the most high maintenance in the mind category. She is super sweet and smart, but she is HOT.
The Pappasito might be the best looking mare I've ever seen. She really is gorgeous! The guy breaking her is a reining guy and he's really impressed with her. Once she decided she wanted to be his buddy, she hasn't put a foot out of place. She was a little tough at first. I attribute it to her basically being a yearling mentally in a 1,200 pound body when he got her and the fact she was pouting about having a job now instead of being a pasture pet slacker....much like many 18-23 year old humans today, lol! So long story short...I wouldn't hesitate to breed a Bully mare to Pappasito again. I think he's $1,500?? | |
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crossarrowk - 2016-03-29 1:08 PM
luckyjo - 2016-03-29 1:51 PM I really believe the mare's temperament is the more important factor. Lol on the comment on mare's temperament - Â You are absolutely right! She is testy which is why I want to tone things down a bit! Â And I know folks say dont breed a testy minded mare but a lot of that testiness is closely linked to try and grit. I am just wanting to manage my resourses lol! And my health. If I bred her to a testy light minded pea-heart I could end up in a world of hurt!Â
And thank you so much to all who responded> this was exactly what I hoped for and I deeply appreciate it. Pretty pictures of studs and pedigrees are great, but you cant see what's inside the ears. I love El Scorcho but you are too far away. :( Â and for the gray stus I have followed and like him for years and blessing to you. I also love Etbauers stallions and the Etbauers themselves. Wonderful folks indeed. Â Many of the other great horses noted are on my LOVE list, but out of $$ range this year. After lots of homework (including the fact that he is at Weatherford only 2 hours from me) I have decided on Royal and Famous, booked today. I am VERY excited.
Again thank you so much BHW folks, what a resource and I am so glad I asked my question. Â Blessings to all! Â SK
My folks have a Bully daughter that is as testy as they come. I have 4 of her produce and none are like her. They are by Takin On The Cash, Dash Ta Fame, Scrutinizer and Pappasito. The Scrutinizer is the most high maintenance in the mind category. She is super sweet and smart, but she is HOT.
The Pappasito might be the best looking mare I've ever seen. She really is gorgeous! The guy breaking her is a reining guy and he's really impressed with her. Once she decided she wanted to be his buddy, she hasn't put a foot out of place. She was a little tough at first. I attribute it to her basically being a yearling mentally in a 1,200 pound body when he got her and the fact she was pouting about having a job now instead of being a pasture pet slacker....much like many 18-23 year old humans today, lol! So long story short...I wouldn't hesitate to breed a Bully mare to Pappasito again. I think he's $1,500??
That being said. My Scrutinizer filly is super in your pocket and while spirited not really hot. She is incredibly gentle and my trainer says one of the smartest in her barn. So just goes to show they are all individuals. :) | |
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SKM - 2016-03-31 6:46 AM
crossarrowk - 2016-03-29 1:08 PM
luckyjo - 2016-03-29 1:51 PM I really believe the mare's temperament is the more important factor. Lol on the comment on mare's temperament - Â You are absolutely right! She is testy which is why I want to tone things down a bit! Â And I know folks say dont breed a testy minded mare but a lot of that testiness is closely linked to try and grit. I am just wanting to manage my resourses lol! And my health. If I bred her to a testy light minded pea-heart I could end up in a world of hurt!Â
And thank you so much to all who responded> this was exactly what I hoped for and I deeply appreciate it. Pretty pictures of studs and pedigrees are great, but you cant see what's inside the ears. I love El Scorcho but you are too far away. :( Â and for the gray stus I have followed and like him for years and blessing to you. I also love Etbauers stallions and the Etbauers themselves. Wonderful folks indeed. Â Many of the other great horses noted are on my LOVE list, but out of $$ range this year. After lots of homework (including the fact that he is at Weatherford only 2 hours from me) I have decided on Royal and Famous, booked today. I am VERY excited.
Again thank you so much BHW folks, what a resource and I am so glad I asked my question. Â Blessings to all! Â SK
My folks have a Bully daughter that is as testy as they come. I have 4 of her produce and none are like her. They are by Takin On The Cash, Dash Ta Fame, Scrutinizer and Pappasito. The Scrutinizer is the most high maintenance in the mind category. She is super sweet and smart, but she is HOT.
The Pappasito might be the best looking mare I've ever seen. She really is gorgeous! The guy breaking her is a reining guy and he's really impressed with her. Once she decided she wanted to be his buddy, she hasn't put a foot out of place. She was a little tough at first. I attribute it to her basically being a yearling mentally in a 1,200 pound body when he got her and the fact she was pouting about having a job now instead of being a pasture pet slacker....much like many 18-23 year old humans today, lol! So long story short...I wouldn't hesitate to breed a Bully mare to Pappasito again. I think he's $1,500??
That being said. My Scrutinizer filly is super in your pocket and while spirited not really hot. She is incredibly gentle and my trainer says one of the smartest in her barn. So just goes to show they are all individuals. : )
Mine is also in your pocket and sweet. Her problem is that she wants to run. She has never been let to run but she understands the concept and she wants to go as hard as she can. She is going to be super nice but it's going to take her some time. There is no way she can turn as hard and fast as she thinks she can. | |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | GLP - 2016-03-30 10:52 AM missroselee - 2016-03-30 9:47 AM I've not read all the repsonses.
But I will add my opinion. I was able to meet Lions Share of Fame in person two years ago when I bred my mare to him. His reputation speaks for itself. Not only for his record, but his offspring as well. Amazing athletes and performers. King himself was extremely kind, calm, and very well mannered while we visited with him during the peak breeding season. I am sure he has his stallion tendencies as well but he was a charmer! My colt will be one in May and has the same great mind. Very kind, very willing, just sensitive enough to stay kind, but just arrogant enough to keep the independence I like to see in a horse. I am very excited to watch him grow! I remember you posting about him. Got any recent pictures? 
Here's a couple taken earlier this year....
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Mighty Broke - 2016-03-30 11:05 AM
This is all well and good but I have never found a correlation between the attitude of a stud and that of his get. I personally know of some studs that are borderline outlaws that consisently put wonerfully tempermented foals on the ground.
100% with you on this! Some of the old time studs were super bad!
I don't doubt that but I will say I have known a stud that consistently threw highly reactive, poor dispositions on most of his foals. Even out of a mare that had produced super dispositions in all of her other foals, out of several different stallions.
And another that had colts that were all tough as nails, feisty dominate types no matter the mare.
But in general I think the mare has a lot more to do with it. I have never seen a nice foal out of a poor tempered mare ( unless it was just due to human mishandling that caused issues) and I have known a lot of people who have bred a nasty mare because they couldn't do anything else with her. I am no breeder but I wouldn't breed anything with a nasty disposition on either side! | |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | wishes4kissez - 2016-03-31 1:45 PM mollibtexan - 2016-03-30 9:24 PM Mighty Broke - 2016-03-30 11:05 AM This is all well and good but I have never found a correlation between the attitude of a stud and that of his get. I personally know of some studs that are borderline outlaws that consisently put wonerfully tempermented foals on the ground. 100% with you on this! Some of the old time studs were super bad! I don't doubt that but I will say I have known a stud that consistently threw highly reactive, poor dis positions on most of his foals. Even out of a mare that had produced super dis positions in all of her other foals, out of several different stallions. And another that had colts that were all tough as nails, feisty dominate types no matter the mare. But in general I think the mare has a lot more to do with it. I have never seen a nice foal out of a poor tempered mare ( unless it was just due to human mishandling that caused issues ) and I have known a lot of people who have bred a nasty mare because they couldn't do anything else with her. I am no breeder but I wouldn't breed anything with a nasty dis position on either side!
I disagree as my cousin owned a race mare that was a nasty as they come and her filly she had was just a sweetheart. Again a lot of variables.
IMO, start with a good minded, good running stud and breed him to a good minded, good running mare and you're going to have a better chance of having a good minded, hard running foal. Exceptions to every rule, but trying to breed out bad traits or bad attitudes is a lot more of a crap shoot than the chances of getting a bad colt out of two nice parents. Again, just my opinion | |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I have had enough Scorchos to stand by my statement that he throws his disposition. Sure there are variables. Sure the mare is one of the variables. Scorcho actually stays with most of my weaners their first year to year and a half of life, so maybe he impresses upon them even more. Idk, ask everyone that owns one their opinion. I'd also like to say that I'm not pushing him for breedings. I'm quite happy with the way he is used and that is breeding my mares and riding me and my nieces and nephews.Thank you all for the positive comments. Can't wait to watch you guys down the road :) | |
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Location: Some where | Hate to bring this up again, but today's Scorcho is less than 24 hours old and enjoying a good belly rub. The temperament is there :)
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| Mighty Broke - 2016-03-30 11:05 AM
This is all well and good but I have never found a correlation between the attitude of a stud and that of his get. I personally know of some studs that are borderline outlaws that consisently put wonerfully tempermented foals on the ground.
I really think it also has a lot to do with the sex of the baby. A colt out of a tempermental stud is way more likely to act just like his daddy, and a filly out of a tempermental mare will usually act just like mom. While not always true, iv seen this to be a more strong correlation than actual bad or good genes from the sire. | |
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crossarrowk - 2016-03-29 1:08 PM
luckyjo - 2016-03-29 1:51 PM I really believe the mare's temperament is the more important factor. Lol on the comment on mare's temperament - Â You are absolutely right! She is testy which is why I want to tone things down a bit! Â And I know folks say dont breed a testy minded mare but a lot of that testiness is closely linked to try and grit. I am just wanting to manage my resourses lol! And my health. If I bred her to a testy light minded pea-heart I could end up in a world of hurt!Â
And thank you so much to all who responded> this was exactly what I hoped for and I deeply appreciate it. Pretty pictures of studs and pedigrees are great, but you cant see what's inside the ears. I love El Scorcho but you are too far away. :( Â and for the gray stus I have followed and like him for years and blessing to you. I also love Etbauers stallions and the Etbauers themselves. Wonderful folks indeed. Â Many of the other great horses noted are on my LOVE list, but out of $$ range this year. After lots of homework (including the fact that he is at Weatherford only 2 hours from me) I have decided on Royal and Famous, booked today. I am VERY excited.
Again thank you so much BHW folks, what a resource and I am so glad I asked my question. Â Blessings to all! Â SK
My folks have a Bully daughter that is as testy as they come. I have 4 of her produce and none are like her. They are by Takin On The Cash, Dash Ta Fame, Scrutinizer and Pappasito. The Scrutinizer is the most high maintenance in the mind category. She is super sweet and smart, but she is HOT.
The Pappasito might be the best looking mare I've ever seen. She really is gorgeous! The guy breaking her is a reining guy and he's really impressed with her. Once she decided she wanted to be his buddy, she hasn't put a foot out of place. She was a little tough at first. I attribute it to her basically being a yearling mentally in a 1,200 pound body when he got her and the fact she was pouting about having a job now instead of being a pasture pet slacker....much like many 18-23 year old humans today, lol! So long story short...I wouldn't hesitate to breed a Bully mare to Pappasito again. I think he's $1,500??
My new Takin On The Cash stud has me sold. He's such a beautiful animal and so easy to be around. He's got 5 at the track this year and they are monsters running but every one I've met was friendly and easy to be around... I hope they make him proud.
My other stud is a Peppy San Badger/docs hotrodder bred and he's my go to guy for hot mares... Before my other guy came he was crossed on hot to stubborn mares and the babies are so easy to train. I am getting feedback from people who have his babies and swear they will only ride his get now. It makes me proud. | |
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Location: Montana | In my experience, nothing about breeding horses is black and white. Anyone who thinks they can say something that includes "always" or "never" just needs to breed a few more horses to realize all things are a crap shoot. If it was easy, it wouldn't be such a thrill.
Some studs really pass on their dispositions. Others less so. Ditto on mares. The world is full of great performance horses at all levels who had one or two bad actor parents.
When it comes to stallions in particular, we treat the high end studs in this world in a way that is counter to kind, quiet behavior. Lots of studs have high calorie, high carb diets, live in stalls, get taken out for quick sex (not necessarily the choice of pasture breeding horses, if you watch them) and then go back in the stall. Just what a horse wasn't designed to live like.
Add a lot of testosterone and of course you get a nasty horse a lot of the time. If you don't think that makes a difference, you haven't hung out with studs enough in the spring and again in the fall. OMG I love my boys in December!
I'm not criticizing the big outfits that manage studs like that. They know what they are doing - maximizing the number of foals. And the horses are very well cared for and healthy.
But, if you put any of my 3 sweetheart studs in a stall, you won't like 'em. In pens or pastures, all three are really good dispositioned, especially for racehorses. Some horses don't mind stalls so much, but a lot of them get ridden every day.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | ausranch - 2016-05-08 10:04 AM In my experience, nothing about breeding horses is black and white. Anyone who thinks they can say something that includes "always" or "never" just needs to breed a few more horses to realize all things are a crap shoot. If it was easy, it wouldn't be such a thrill. Some studs really pass on their dispositions. Others less so. Ditto on mares. The world is full of great performance horses at all levels who had one or two bad actor parents. When it comes to stallions in particular, we treat the high end studs in this world in a way that is counter to kind, quiet behavior. Lots of studs have high calorie, high carb diets, live in stalls, get taken out for quick sex (not necessarily the choice of pasture breeding horses, if you watch them) and then go back in the stall. Just what a horse wasn't designed to live like. Add a lot of testosterone and of course you get a nasty horse a lot of the time. If you don't think that makes a difference, you haven't hung out with studs enough in the spring and again in the fall. OMG I love my boys in December! I'm not criticizing the big outfits that manage studs like that. They know what they are doing - maximizing the number of foals. And the horses are very well cared for and healthy. But, if you put any of my 3 sweetheart studs in a stall, you won't like 'em. In pens or pastures, all three are really good dispositioned, especially for racehorses. Some horses don't mind stalls so much, but a lot of them get ridden every day.
This is so very true. Those studs just can't risk getting hurt, so I understand having them seperate from other horses, but they should at least be givin a large pen to run around in. And I'm not talking a 20 x 10 run. I mean 3 acres at least. We have always ran ours stallions out in BIG pastures and they are very good natured. We have taken them straight from the track and turned them out. They love it.
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