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| Those of you with horses with pssm, would turning out your horse in lush grass for a few hours be enough to spike some sort of reoccurance? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | With pastures being so lush {high in sugar} I thing I would cut that a little lower in time out in pasture. Right now I'm gun shy about to much pasture time, my pastures are super rich looking and did cause a problem for my one gelding, lots of blessed rain that we needed. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Some horses have to be dry lotted. Some can handle it. Just depends on horse. |
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| Horses with PSSM type 1 are sensitive to NSC and should not be on grass or should have a grazing muzzle or limited turnout but horses with type 2 can be because it is not a glycogen storing issue and carbohydrates are not something to worry about. Of course with rich grass any horse is at risk and my N/P2 (neg for P1) is a little sensitve to NSC (Oats in particular) but shes on full turnout because the protein in grass is good for her |
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| What do you have to worry about with the pssm 2? |
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| I hope everyone finds out what works best for their own horses. This is all very new information and every one is different. I know for a FACT there's PSSM2 horses who are indeed effected by high NSC. Whether it's caused by PSSM or something else, they're effected.
And to the poster above, research is stating high protein levels are important to PSSM2 horses.
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| barrelracinbroke - 2016-05-26 8:14 PM I hope everyone finds out what works best for their own horses. This is all very new information and every one is different. I know for a FACT there's PSSM2 horses who are indeed effected by high NSC. Whether it's caused by PSSM or something else, they're effected.
And to the poster above, research is stating high protein levels are important to PSSM2 horses.
Yeah that's what's confusing, everything the geneticists have found say NSC shouldn't really matter for P2 horses because of the gene they found and because "In PSSM2, normal quantities of glycogen pool in regions of disorganized myofibrils. The primary defect is disorganized myofibrils, not any aspect of energy metabolism." The name PSSM 2 really shouldn't be the name {but they're hoping to change it}
Paul also stated, "Dr. Stephanie Valberg already had an emerging view that PSSM2 should be managed substantially different from that of PSSM1. There is an emerging consensus here, based on the experiance of members of this forum, that horses with PSSM2 need a diet that is supplemented with complete protein (or with specific amino acids to make up for the lower quantity of specific essential amino acids in plant protein). Supplementation with complete protein appears to be benficial in reversing muscle wasting. The optimal excercise regimen may be every other day rather than every day. {like PSSM1 horses} It is also likely that reduction in dietary carbohydrate is of little value in managing horses with PSSM2. All of these insights emerged independently of our research, but our understanding of the biological mechanism of PSSM2 causes us to endorse this management program. |
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| cheeka77 - 2016-05-26 10:23 PM barrelracinbroke - 2016-05-26 8:14 PM I hope everyone finds out what works best for their own horses. This is all very new information and every one is different. I know for a FACT there's PSSM2 horses who are indeed effected by high NSC. Whether it's caused by PSSM or something else, they're effected.
And to the poster above, research is stating high protein levels are important to PSSM2 horses.
Yeah that's what's confusing, everything the geneticists have found say NSC shouldn't really matter for P2 horses because of the gene they found and because "In PSSM2, normal quantities of glycogen pool in regions of disorganized myofibrils. The primary defect is disorganized myofibrils, not any aspect of energy metabolism." The name PSSM 2 really shouldn't be the name {but they're hoping to change it}
Paul also stated, "Dr. Stephanie Valberg already had an emerging view that PSSM2 should be managed substantially different from that of PSSM1. There is an emerging consensus here, based on the experiance of members of this forum, that horses with PSSM2 need a diet that is supplemented with complete protein (or with specific amino acids to make up for the lower quantity of specific essential amino acids in plant protein). Supplementation with complete protein appears to be benficial in reversing muscle wasting. The optimal excercise regimen may be every other day rather than every day. {like PSSM1 horses} It is also likely that reduction in dietary carbohydrate is of little value in managing horses with PSSM2. All of these insights emerged independently of our research, but our understanding of the biological mechanism of PSSM2 causes us to endorse this management program.
Agreed, in that it's confusing! I know it's not "supposed" to affect some according to their research but, I've seen it first hand. Again, maybe it's something else that's in combination with P2 but, who knows?? It's such an individualized thing with each horse.
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| Thank you. I went and joined the pssm forum on fb for some more info. Unfortunately its looking like both my horses may be P2. We thought the one horse had lyme disease again but its seeming like too much of a coincidence that his symptoms are almost identical to the other horse now. Neither have been tested. I am hoping to hair test comes out sooner than later. |
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| Buckles - 2016-05-30 6:20 AM Thank you. I went and joined the pssm forum on fb for some more info. Unfortunately its looking like both my horses may be P2. We thought the one horse had lyme disease again but its seeming like too much of a coincidence that his symptoms are almost identical to the other horse now. Neither have been tested. I am hoping to hair test comes out sooner than later.
Paul said 1 to 2 months for the hair test, I tested mine for Lymes too but it was P2 instead |
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| cheeka77 - 2016-05-30 11:25 PM
Buckles - 2016-05-30 6:20 AM Thank you. I went and joined the pssm forum on fb for some more info. Unfortunately its looking like both my horses may be P2. We thought the one horse had lyme disease again but its seeming like too much of a coincidence that his symptoms are almost identical to the other horse now. Neither have been tested. I am hoping to hair test comes out sooner than later.
Paul said 1 to 2 months for the hair test, I tested mine for Lymes too but it was P2 instead
Yea I just see he had posted that its looking like 2 months now. Starting them on a high protein diet and seeing if it makes any difference. |
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