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| My new horse in training was previously used as a sorting/cutter/reiner and she tries to overturn her barrels. No matter what speed I take her she wants to basically do a rollback instead of a circle. I tried taking her off pattern for a few weeks to teach her circles but as soon as I get her back on the pattern she goes for a rollback again. If you put inside leg on her she either ignores it or thinks you want to change direction lol She was spurred alot (and now she hates them) so I'm trying to avoid them if possible but if it gets to the point where I need to use them I will.
So here's my question... Do I try to make her do circles or should I just teach her the pattern rollback style? This is the first time she has been introduced to the pattern other than the few times her old owners did it with her. I'm riding her in a little s hack (in case anyone wants to know). |
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Location: Somewhere around here | Try a lighter bit and I'd just roll with it. At least she wants to turn tight, I'd rather have a horse that wants to turn than one who doesn't lol. |
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| My little cowbred is similar. I've had some really good success staying really up and over him, hands 3/4 up his neck not collapsing my ribs, not looking at the barrel, staying very square and centered until we are past and ready to turn.
The speed at which that horse can downshift and turn is incredible. It is also incredibly frustration if I am too early in any cue we will usually rub or tip.
I made it a point at home for a week to put my cones out everytime I rode to help train my eyes and body to find my path, not films the barrel. |
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| A lot of people who have cutting horses will run them past the barrel, and let them roll back over, so that they have more room to turn, which is how Jackie Ganter runs Cartel. I think that it would be better than changing your horse's style. |
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| My last horse was like that. If I gave a little more pocket and kept forward motion going it corrected it. I worked a bunch of small circles making him learn to keep forward motion, sometimes I had to tap his behind and use lots of foot but it worked. I also had to do the reins up 3/4 up the neck. |
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Location: Montana | Personally, I would just work with her style rather than try to change it, some horses are just that style of turn. |
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| I would go back to basic and work drill around cones where you are in control. Get control of shoulers and hips. Clinton Anderson had a fantastic show on DVD the other night about getting control of shoulders and hips. Best I have seen and simple to understand. I am sure he has a video. Until you have control. The horse is going to turn the way it wants. |
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| Try tires around the barrels. Or cones. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | You need to get some forward motion going in the turns. A cutting horse is trained to roll back over its hocks and come back in its tracks to hold that line so it doesn't "leak out" when cutting. Leaking out will get you some serious minus points. So then you take that horse to the barrel pen and 9 times out of 10 you get to the backside of the turn and they do what they've been drilled to do, stop, roll back over their hocks and hold their ground, typically right into the barrel. She is going to have to do some spiral out type circle work to help build a forward turn, or work on taking her deeper into the turn, let her roll back out away from the barrel and hope you can make the move around the barrel from there. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I would keep practicing flatwork. I know you said she doesn't like spurs but maybe try a small one in the beginning just to get her responsive to your leg. I know each horse has their own style but I would try to improve it. Maybe slow trot the pattern and then increase the pace as she gets better at it. |
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