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| Lets talk strategy for those of us who do not wish to spend a large sum to buy a finished/winning horse.
What bloodlines are a bargain but have a lot of potential.
I heard LaTricia Duke say once that when she is buying prospects for herself she likes to be in the 2500-3000$ price range.
Cutter rejects...
What else??
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Location: Somewhere around here | I agree with LaTricia, I'd pay that amount for a good prospect but I don't have the kind of money to took at super nice prospects with bloodlines out the wazoo.
I really like cutting rejects but more cautious of reining rejects because any horse should be able to do a simple reining pattern and if a horse can't it's a flag for me; but not every horse can be a cutting horse.
I honestly like any cutting bloodline, all the ones I've worked with have good minds and will have a lot of heart.
When I was younger and didn't even have a $3,000 budget, I looked at almost any horse that had a good conformation. Bought a trail horse and made him into a kid autopilot solid 3D/4D horse and bought a western pleasure/trail mare that could've been an amazing barrel horse if I was able to keep her in college.
To me, bloodlines aren't a guarantee but a horse with good conformation and willingness will work a lot harder than other horses that have the talent but not the want-to. |
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| I also like the cowy lines - partially because we also rope and just about everything we buy to run barrels on goes to the roping box as well as some point. But I find them easy to train and the "looking for a job" type work ethic.
I've heard some folks not liking them or finding them counterfeit, but we really get along well with the Peppy San Badger lines. I have a Dual Pep grandson who is right in there just out of the money at some amateur rodeos with less than a year on the pattern. He's been a pleasure to work with. Our rodeo head horse is also Peppy San bred - I hear he was a little broncy as a colt but he is probably the most athletic horse on the place. He's also been used by our 9 he old neice as a barrel horse despite no formal training, sucker won her money in the 4d open at their first outing. He's neat.
I agree with the $2500-$3000 budget with no formal barrel training. I like papers - just because buyers like papers. It's a heck of a lot easier to sell a horse who doesn't have an extensive resume/needs hauled etc if he has papers, IMO. A grade horse starts to develop value when he develops a resume. A grade mare may never match the value of a registered mare of the same caliber. Again, my opinion. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I'm big on a horse that has the ability to do anything. I'm not hung up on bloodlines. I do like Driftwood, Sun Frost, etc. I look for a balanced horse that could excel in the barrel pen, roping pen, ranch riding, and potentially be a future mount for my kids. |
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| OhMax - 2016-07-27 12:02 PM
I also like the cowy lines - partially because we also rope and just about everything we buy to run barrels on goes to the roping box as well as some point. But I find them easy to train and the "looking for a job" type work ethic.
I've heard some folks not liking them or finding them counterfeit, but we really get along well with the Peppy San Badger lines. I have a Dual Pep grandson who is right in there just out of the money at some amateur rodeos with less than a year on the pattern. He's been a pleasure to work with. Our rodeo head horse is also Peppy San bred - I hear he was a little broncy as a colt but he is probably the most athletic horse on the place. He's also been used by our 9 he old neice as a barrel horse despite no formal training, sucker won her money in the 4d open at their first outing. He's neat.
I agree with the $2500-$3000 budget with no formal barrel training. I like papers - just because buyers like papers. It's a heck of a lot easier to sell a horse who doesn't have an extensive resume/needs hauled etc if he has papers, IMO. A grade horse starts to develop value when he develops a resume. A grade mare may never match the value of a registered mare of the same caliber. Again, my opinion.
^^^I am of the same opinion. I also find the cowy horses to have a better mind along with being trainable. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Our cutting rejects don't go for that amount of money - just because they didn't make it in the pen, doesn't mean they don't command good money.
But, you can find some nicely bred horses in that range. It just takes a while to look for them and trustworthy sellers. Sometimes they just might be by a well known stallion out of a mare with better bloodlines further back or vise versa. |
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| OhMax - 2016-07-27 12:02 PM
I also like the cowy lines - partially because we also rope and just about everything we buy to run barrels on goes to the roping box as well as some point. But I find them easy to train and the "looking for a job" type work ethic.
I've heard some folks not liking them or finding them counterfeit, but we really get along well with the Peppy San Badger lines. I have a Dual Pep grandson who is right in there just out of the money at some amateur rodeos with less than a year on the pattern. He's been a pleasure to work with. Our rodeo head horse is also Peppy San bred - I hear he was a little broncy as a colt but he is probably the most athletic horse on the place. He's also been used by our 9 he old neice as a barrel horse despite no formal training, sucker won her money in the 4d open at their first outing. He's neat.
I agree with the $2500-$3000 budget with no formal barrel training. I like papers - just because buyers like papers. It's a heck of a lot easier to sell a horse who doesn't have an extensive resume/needs hauled etc if he has papers, IMO. A grade horse starts to develop value when he develops a resume. A grade mare may never match the value of a registered mare of the same caliber. Again, my opinion.
Agree on the papers. At least on a mare. When selling, ANY papers are better than no papers.
As far as rejects, (in addition to cutters) I had a reined cow horse reject that I just adored. They're not quite as in the bridle as a straight reiner but still know how to control their bodies. It seems like lately the trendy cutting lines are starting to bring back some size into the picture (and by that I mean not topping out at 14hh), and that's making looking at the 'rejects' a whole lot more fun! |
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| I guess another way would be to trade/sell a finished horse for a royally bred prospect.
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| 3canstorun - 2016-07-27 12:18 PM
Our cutting rejects don't go for that amount of money - just because they didn't make it in the pen, doesn't mean they don't command good money.
But, you can find some nicely bred horses in that range. It just takes a while to look for them and trustworthy sellers. Sometimes they just might be by a well known stallion out of a mare with better bloodlines further back or vise versa.
Sorry I was just saying what Latricia liked to spend (not necessarily on cutter rejects). I was not meaning to imply that cutter rejects typically go for that. |
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| I think the term "cutter reject" is used a little loosely sometimes (I show cutters so I can say that lol). Cutting training for a 3 year old and up can be $1,500 a month, so keep that in mind when looking for a "reject" at a low price. Not saying it can't be done, but do your homework.
When looking for a barrel prospect, I take the papers into consideration but don't count out a nice horse just because he doesn't have a stellar barrel horse set. I bought a "reject" type cutter, but he wasn't ever actually shown or even in cutting training. He is Peptoboonsmal and Dry Doc bred and can fly (like oh my gosh he can outrun a running horse fly). I didn't know that when I bought him, what made me want him was the way he was broke. He was broke by a trainer that has a background in all disciplines so he rides around exactly how I want one to ride....big stop, turns around correctly, soft in the face and knows where his feet are. I rode a bunch of horses and ended up saving money buying him verses something that was bred to "run barrels". He is working a nice set of barrels and is a lot of fun to ride.
What I am trying to get at is even though you are on a budget, don't settle. You may have to look a little longer, and the bloodlines may not seem that great for what you are wanting, but there are nice horses out there that can be purchased at a reasonable price. Make sure you take each horse for what he/she is (not just for how they are bred), and see if there is potential for what you are wanting to do. I also always try to keep my plan in mind...is this a horse I want to keep for a long time or is this an investment to sell later...
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Location: Northwest Florida | This is what I'm going to be in the market for after my baby is born. I don't want to pay for something that already has a resume... I'd rather buy a nice prospect and invest the time rather than the money. I'll be looking for something more cow bred, quick on its feet with a good handle. I'm not concerned with a specific bloodline but I do agree with what someone said previously... I like papers because buyers like papers. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | You can get a nicely bred prospect in the $2500 - $3000 range by looking/contacting the stallion owners who's stallion stands in the $1000 price range. OR, toss pedigree aside and just look at anything athletically bred but not necessarily main stream and go strictly on athletic ability. If they are awake, not a dough head, and have some sting in a turn around and move fluidly,,,,,that horse will run barrels. |
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| I like to go the opposite direction...
The top barrel horses I have ever bought were over the age of 15.
Some over the age of 20.
I will take an older proven barrel horse over a potential prospect any day of the week. They are generally very affordable for the quality you are receiving. |
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| OhMax - 2016-07-27 12:02 PM
I also like the cowy lines - partially because we also rope and just about everything we buy to run barrels on goes to the roping box as well as some point. But I find them easy to train and the "looking for a job" type work ethic.
I've heard some folks not liking them or finding them counterfeit, but we really get along well with the Peppy San Badger lines. I have a Dual Pep grandson who is right in there just out of the money at some amateur rodeos with less than a year on the pattern. He's been a pleasure to work with. Our rodeo head horse is also Peppy San bred - I hear he was a little broncy as a colt but he is probably the most athletic horse on the place. He's also been used by our 9 he old neice as a barrel horse despite no formal training, sucker won her money in the 4d open at their first outing. He's neat.
I agree with the $2500-$3000 budget with no formal barrel training. I like papers - just because buyers like papers. It's a heck of a lot easier to sell a horse who doesn't have an extensive resume/needs hauled etc if he has papers, IMO. A grade horse starts to develop value when he develops a resume. A grade mare may never match the value of a registered mare of the same caliber. Again, my opinion.
Good to see another Peppy San Badger lover. Bought a mare as a 5 year old because she "bucked" the lady off again. Well the previous owner kept her in the same place never took her out to do anything so when we bought her we started using her on the ranch and I put her on barrels. Now shes a 1D/2D barrel horse, does poles (not great but were getting there), rope/ ranch horse and a kids horse. Turns out she wanted/needed something to do and once she got it she's been fantastic at everything we've thrown at her. I got another little peppy san badger gelding that has been pushed to the side but I am excited to get another 30 days on him and continue on. He's a funny sucker. :) Oh and both of those horses have great conformation and were under $1200. |
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| I really like cow bred horses. If I was looking for a new horse I would focus more on build. My little mare that I grew up riding and still ride has sonny dee bar way back bit nothing to special on her papers. She's quick and athletic and smart. If I was looking for another I would like another well built cowy horse. I don't have the money to spend on a nice bred running horse, so something young and cheaper that had the athletic ability would be what I would go for. I just love a good looking stocky quarter horse thats quick and smart. |
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| Definitely has to have papers but I look at conformation first, disposition and athleticism. All my horses are track rejects. I bought my now finished gelding 5 years ago. He was 5 yrs old and the owners had brough hi'm home as a 3 yr old and he'd been sitting for 2 yrs. They had taken phenomenal care of him though. He was just being a horse. I paid $650 for him and put in the time to get him going. He's a 1/2 D horse. |
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