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| I have a horse that carries his head REALLY high. I've used the running martingale while getting him broke better but now that I have started running him I need something besides this running martingale.
What is your favorite brow band tie down? I've been thinking about this Sharon Camarillo one. http://www.horse.com/item/reinsman-sharon-camarillo-bonnet-tie-down... Has anyone used it and if so what did you think of it? | |
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Location: Texas | I use it on one of my horses and it works just fine. | |
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| Keep in mind ... a horse needs to stick his nose out when
running and for balance ...
Why don't you try a simple tie down where a horse
bumps his nose if he gets it higher than his withers
... no tucked head or brain shattering pain from a
brow band or poll pressure points ... at the same
time see if you are hanging on his face for your
balance or bit is too harsh ..
This video will give you a close up of what Cervi uses
on Stingray when racing for the money ...
https://youtu.be/ne37BDsLdek
This video will show what she uses when NOT running
for the money ..
did you see what I saw ......... (nothing) ..... lol ... on
the fast pattern you can see how much the bump
on the nose tie down helps when running a pattern
... Stingray got above the bit on the run home ...
https://youtu.be/qr97nf_Wrns
GOOD LUCK ..
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2016-08-31 1:32 AM
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| Couple thoughts - does he ride as well without the martingale as he does with it now? If he doesn't he's not broke better, he just relies on the tool.
I don't mind martingales, draw reins etc to introduce an idea but it's vital to not rely on them and make sure the horse understands the concept of and doesn't just fold up under the pressure but is still working forward off his hind end. My FIL has a colt I'm working on, he's got some holes in his training and can start off really defiant with his head. 5-10 minutes of draws or a German martingale to soften his poll up and get him breaking and then we're back to just plain split reins and asking him to engage his hind end.
I'm not again the browband or headsetter tie town if that is what works on the horse, but I usually start with a simple leather noseband and change it up from there based on what is or isn't happening. | |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Agree with OhMax and BarrelHorse...I'm not saying a bonnet tie down can't help but it seems like a drastic step to go from a running martigale straight to the bonnet? I'd try a regular tie down in your runs and keep working with a martigale or draw reins at home until you can ride without any of it. I tune my young ones in German martingales primarily and sometimes running martigales and draw reins. Most of them are fine without it when I start adding some pattern speed but in a handful of cases the regular tie down gets used. If you still have problems then by all means try the bonnet, but I'd start off a little softer IMO. | |
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 Poor Cracker Girl
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | I prefer a browband over a traditional tie down personally.
But it really depends on what's going on with the horse. If the horse is keeping his poll down but rooting out the nose at slower speeds (walk, trot, lope) as a response to the bit, I'll go to a German martingale. But, if I have a horse that's rooting out but only at a dead run, I'll go to a traditional tie down to avoid the sharp grab in the mouth from the German. The horse that's staying light in the bit but evading by bringing their head up and back - it kinda feels like their head ends up in your lap- those horses get a browband tiedown of some kind. Usually, it doesn't even have to be all that tight, a nice physical reminder to keep their head where it belongs and out of my lap. | |
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Location: Louisiana | I have a gelding I run in a bonnet. He came to me already running in one...
I like to change things up so I constantly try new bits/tiedowns/setups.
He prefers the bonnet in a run. He will make a nice pattern regardless of what's on his head, but the best have come from a gag bit(the exact one depends on the arena) and a bonnet. I ride him with neither of those at home.
At home I use different light bits, with a German martingale, running martingale, or just a bit. Always changing. I have this strange fear that I'll go somewhere and have no bits, so I want my horses to work in everything lol.
He came with a wire bonnet, and they rust so I have purchased a couple replacements over the years. I've tried a nice leather one, and a nylon one, and always go back to the wire. It's not that the material makes a difference, bc he isn't really pushing on it hard, but the wire just fits his head so much better and stays where it's supposed to be. The others want to slide back on his poll.
I did recently purchase one from L&W but haven't had a chance to try it. It has a stainless wire top, and a wrapped chain brow, so it will never rust and break. Sounds harsh, but it fits him and he respects it and is used to it. I would never just put that on a horse and go run. And even on my 14yo who expects to run in one, if it's been a while since we made a run, I'll put it on and lunge him around a couple times so he knows it's there. He always looks at me like, mom, get on haha. | |
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| TrackinBubba - 2016-08-31 7:14 AM I prefer a browband over a traditional tie down personally.
But it really depends on what's going on with the horse. If the horse is keeping his poll down but rooting out the nose at slower speeds (walk, trot, lope) as a response to the bit, I'll go to a German martingale. But, if I have a horse that's rooting out but only at a dead run, I'll go to a traditional tie down to avoid the sharp grab in the mouth from the German. The horse that's staying light in the bit but evading by bringing their head up and back - it kinda feels like their head ends up in your lap- those horses get a browband tiedown of some kind. Usually, it doesn't even have to be all that tight, a nice physical reminder to keep their head where it belongs and out of my lap.
Thank you! This horse is very broke and light mouthed (I run him in a mild O ring) but he has the body type that is easy for him to play giraffe, so if anything upsets him or becomes too difficult his head comes up and back into my face. I've used the nylon browband tie down and it would never stay in place. I was just wondering about this Sharon Camillo leather one. TrackinBubba do you use a leather, nylon or wire browband and if you use the nylon one how do you get it to stay in place? | |
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Poor Cracker Girl
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | Breeze'sJockey - 2016-08-31 11:23 PM TrackinBubba - 2016-08-31 7:14 AM I prefer a browband over a traditional tie down personally.
But it really depends on what's going on with the horse. If the horse is keeping his poll down but rooting out the nose at slower speeds (walk, trot, lope) as a response to the bit, I'll go to a German martingale. But, if I have a horse that's rooting out but only at a dead run, I'll go to a traditional tie down to avoid the sharp grab in the mouth from the German. The horse that's staying light in the bit but evading by bringing their head up and back - it kinda feels like their head ends up in your lap- those horses get a browband tiedown of some kind. Usually, it doesn't even have to be all that tight, a nice physical reminder to keep their head where it belongs and out of my lap. Thank you! This horse is very broke and light mouthed (I run him in a mild O ring) but he has the body type that is easy for him to play giraffe, so if anything upsets him or becomes too difficult his head comes up and back into my face. I've used the nylon browband tie down and it would never stay in place. I was just wondering about this Sharon Camillo leather one. TrackinBubba do you use a leather, nylon or wire browband and if you use the nylon one how do you get it to stay in place?
I have a couple of nylon ones that I use a bunch but I don't have a problem with them staying in place. I put the adjustable side facing front (across the forehead) and then put my headstall on top of it. That's usually enough to keep it generally in the right spot.
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