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mandita8907 Reg. Nov 2010	Posted 2016-09-21 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Feeding question, tying up + very hard keeper
Elite Veteran Posts: 690 Location: Georgia	FLITASTIC - 2016-09-19 5:05 PM rockstarinboots - 2016-09-19 12:30 PM My gelding has been having some light tying up episodes. He is 5 panel N/N (FYI). I am aware that switching to a low starch diet like rg and good hay. Or something like releve. That is all well and good however this horse is the hardest keeper I have ever had and I am afraid he might be skin and bones if I were to lower his starch. I am going to send in his biopsy to see if it is pssm 2. However Idont think it is. He has had a blood panel pulled and nothing was abnormal. More curious on these low starch diets if horses have enough energy and any weight issues? Try a magnesium/Selenium/Vit E supplement. I believe Animed products make one with all 3 MVP makes an excellent supp with all that and natural Vit E. Its called in Sync
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cheeka77 Reg. Nov 2013	Posted 2016-09-21 4:46 PM Subject: RE: Feeding question, tying up + very hard keeper
Extreme Veteran Posts: 415	Runnincat - 2016-09-21 9:14 AM cheeka77 - 2016-09-20 10:04 PM Runnincat - 2016-09-20 1:18 PM ALCAR is the latest for PSSM 1 or 2 horses. I fed it to one of our geldings that tied up, not only did it eliminate future episodes, it really filled him out and bulked him up. He looked amazing on it. And again..a low carb diet. Actually, there is no science to back this up and people on the PSSM Forum are mostly collectively against it as the amount it would take to feed a horse is an insane amount :) I believe there is actually research done behind ALCAR for PSSM horses by Dr. Kellon in Pennsylvania, Dr. Beth Valentine (Oregon State) and Dr. Stephanie Valberg University of MN. These would be your specialists to contact for any questions and guidance in nutrition. I don't know if anything has actually been published but clinical trials have been done. They recommend feeding 1 g per 100 lbs. Each PSSM horse responds differently. It may be figuring out what works. There is no published credible research because they found it to not work :) They studied it in rats and found that the equivalent dose a horse would need is insane and still not found to work. Now there are some people that claim it works, but I think that's more they found the diet and supplements that work and think its the ALCAR. "There is no credible evidence that dietary administration of carnitine is effective in the treatment of any inherited condition that is not a defect in carnitine metabolism. Such conditions are described in human patients, but not in horses. Feeding Lysine, however, is a way to improve the amount of complete protein in a horses diet. Complete protein is a term that refers to supplying all eight essential amino acids in the right proportions. Lysine is typically low in many sources of plant protein. Supplementation with complete protein (whey or soy) is also effective, and is likely cheaper."
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OregonBR Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2016-09-21 9:53 PM Subject: RE: Feeding question, tying up + very hard keeper
Champ Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm	Just a word of caution. Don't supplement selenium unless you test first and the horse needs to be supplemented for it. Selenium over the needed levels is toxic and deadly. Test first.
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